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Forums - Nintendo - "Lest they forget." Iwata speaks out.

Pavolink on 04 July 2012

Internet is a scary place, Iwata-san.



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sethnintendo on 04 July 2012
o_O.Q said:

just because someone has a different opinion or perspective than you does not mean that their brain isn't working properly or that they have limited mental capacity

just like you have the right to prefer nintendo others have the right to prefer microsoft or sony


I was stating that someone in their teens or twenties doesn't have a fully developed brain yet.  When I was a late teenager / early 20s I thought I had everything figured out.  Turns out, I barely knew shit.  Usually the older you get the more wise you become except when you hit the age that dementia starts to kick in.  I was merely talking shit about young people not knowing shit.  Sorry, I was bashing the young fans for their terrible fan hate.  It is okay to be a fan of a company but that doesn't mean you have to automatically hate others that are fans of different companies. 

Usually it is the fans that cause all this fan hate stepping in line with their companies PR.  Example: Sega and Sony PR stating that Nintendo is only for kids.  This PR message has lasted 20+ years.  Pretty damn effective campaign to make teenagers think they are more adult playing a game on one system over the other.



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 July 2012

Iwata cannot deny the fact that the mass audience is still confused as to what the Wii U is and does properly. It's an extremely complex device. The Wii and Wii mote were extremely simple to understand for casuals in commercials. Nintendo is going to be a really good marketing plan for the Wii U to convince the casuals that this is worth it over say....Microsofts smartglass, which is easy to sell since people already have IPads.



Mr Khan on 04 July 2012
AbbathTheGrim said:
happydolphin said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

That's possible. If Sony didn't learn their lesson with their previous price point they'll end up the same way. What will Sony have is the same thing they have right now that makes them the best selling console worldwide these days. Smart glass won't do anything at all, it is an interesting concept that won't have a groundbreaking implementation from the start, maybe in the future.

What you dude are not considering and Nintendo for that matter is how many of those fans that bought the Wii will do the same with the WiiU. Those fans that nowadays think that WiiU is an add-on of the Wii, those fans that are not part of the core of Nintendo fans, those fans that possibly will look at the WiiU and not be interested. Nintendo still doesn't know how many of those that bought the Wii will again go an buy their next console, but they still think their next console will have the same support and from there I draw comparisons between PS2 and PS3. Nintendo nowadays is at the same spot that was Sony previously, taking bets and acting as if reaching the #1 spot assures they will be there eternally.

You know what also helps selling platforms? Multiplatform games and what is the certainty that Nintendo has of having parity with the other onsoles in ports of multiplats for the next gen? Read another thread in here.

You guys are accusing me of hating on Nintendo, because I am a Sony fanboy? I can tell you that Sony can screw up big time next gen if they don't do things right , don't have luck (that's part of the ecuation, always, fortune) and people don't support them. Can you tell me that it is possible that Nintendo can end up the same?

Of course it's possible. I just don't believe it will happen.

I had a much grimmer view (no pun intended) of the WiiU back when I didn't understand the potential.

Yes, I do see the risk of Wii consumers dropping its successor. But what I have seen also is Nintendo's continued dominance in the handheld space. If they managed to do that with the DS, I believe that same success can and will be translated and is in the process of being translated to Nintendo's home console market.

In other words, even if those who purchased the Wii don't buy the U again for the reasons they bought the Wii, I believe consumers that bought the DS and now the 3DS are those that will also buy the WiiU. Since the 3DS is doing fine without multiplat titles, I believe now that Nintendo has cemented its leadership for 1 gen in the home console market, that partner (3rd party) confidence is now at an all-time high for Nintendo, ensuring a self-sufficient, Nintendo-only software submarket on Nintendo's home system, supported by Nintendo's 1st party games and exclusive 3rd party Nintendo-only experiences.

And even then, there is a possibility of the current Wii clientele wanting the successor to the Wii and the experiences it brought. Here is the poll data:

 

That's how I see it unfolding, and as such, I see the PS4 selling as much as this gen, and the WiiU outselling the Wii. Just my vision.

As such, I'd be willing to be it'll sell 120M lifetime minimum.

I don't expect as much success for the WiiU as you do. Wii was a phenomenon, and to an incredible extent to the motion aspect of it. You should know how many articles were written about how responsible it was to buy your children games that make them be active, you should know how many times were shown videos of elderly people enjoying the Wii Sports stuff. This time around they are trying to appeal to the touch-screen generation and that is not the same thing that the above consumers were/are looking for, if they are even looking for something nowadays.

I can't tell you that the WiiU won't be the leader of the console market next gen, but I am pretty sure it won't be as successful as the Wii was.

The handleheld market is one thing, the console market other. There is no question of Nintendo's dominace there, and I attribute it largely to their recognizable franchises and to the non-violent nature of their games (I call them childish, yeah, I said it once again) and this makes them the best choice for parents as a purchase for back-seat-pacifiers.

Mario was there for the 64, as it was for the GameCube. I would like to know how many people are willing to buy the WiiU for Mario this time. It would seem that Nintendo's fans have grown since the arrival of the Wii, I want to see how many of those are really loyal and will continue with them. This next month/years will be interesting.

Last time I paid attention to survey's I ended up paying five bucks to a friend for betting against the losing governor of my country in a survey. That's how much I rely on survey's. Wait for the real thing. I am not afraid of admitting that I am wrong, if it comes down to that, but if Nintendo does see themselves not enjoying the same success as with the Wii and we see that the same people that were with them are not buying their console this generation, I would like to see if Nintendo fanboys recognize how Wii's success and therefore Nintendo's laid behind a casual consumer sector which backfired at them in the end.

My previous post about "thrashing" was addressing the OP, not you, btw.

But anyone who says "but N64/GC had Mario too!" doesn't get what we're talking about. NSMBU is the 2nd biggest launch killer-app for a console since Super Mario World, 20 years ago.



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DieAppleDie on 04 July 2012

Mr. Iwata, just quit, people here say Nintendo is doomed, just sell Nintendo and buy Msoft stocks with the money.........Sony stocks? hell no!



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Cobretti2 on 04 July 2012
Araknie said:
I bet that if WiiU will do good, people will start attaccking it even harder.

How can you complain about 8 years old swearin and being stupid on chats during multiplayer games for every game if this gaming world has become so angry?

I miss the 90's, in that time there was respect for hard work and for the minds of the people, Iwata just asked to wait before shouting a judgement and look at some comments.

I'm getting tired of this everyday, i was coming on forum to relax from work, but i have to put much effort defending my passion to be worth it.

So i will comment less from today, very much less.


This is what fuels me to get a WiiU at launch. I was planning to waitfor some mroe games to come out and a price cut before a purchase.



 

 

happydolphin on 04 July 2012
Mr Khan said:

My previous post about "thrashing" was addressing the OP, not you, btw.

But anyone who says "but N64/GC had Mario too!" doesn't get what we're talking about. NSMBU is the 2nd biggest launch killer-app for a console since Super Mario World, 20 years ago.

Not that Rol has horse dung on me, but I'm curious what you think makes this OP a liability for me :) Is it because of my "I blame everyone thread"?



Mr Khan on 04 July 2012
happydolphin said:
Mr Khan said:

My previous post about "thrashing" was addressing the OP, not you, btw.

But anyone who says "but N64/GC had Mario too!" doesn't get what we're talking about. NSMBU is the 2nd biggest launch killer-app for a console since Super Mario World, 20 years ago.

Not that Rol has horse dung on me, but I'm curious what you think makes this OP a liability for me :) Is it because of my "I blame everyone thread"?

There are large, visible differences coming into Wii U from coming in to Wii, and to equate the two, or attempt to, is to ignore these differences.



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happydolphin on 04 July 2012
Mr Khan said:

There are large, visible differences coming into Wii U from coming in to Wii, and to equate the two, or attempt to, is to ignore these differences.

No, he never ignores the differences, and doesn't equate them, and nor do I.

He's just saying "Haters gonna hater, doubters gonna doubt".

The Wii had its challenges, but look at how it turned out. In other words, all he's saying is "Trust us, you were wrong last time, you're probably wrong this time".

Rol aint got rags on me.



Cobretti2 on 04 July 2012
AbbathTheGrim said:
happydolphin said:
AbbathTheGrim said:

That's possible. If Sony didn't learn their lesson with their previous price point they'll end up the same way. What will Sony have is the same thing they have right now that makes them the best selling console worldwide these days. Smart glass won't do anything at all, it is an interesting concept that won't have a groundbreaking implementation from the start, maybe in the future.

What you dude are not considering and Nintendo for that matter is how many of those fans that bought the Wii will do the same with the WiiU. Those fans that nowadays think that WiiU is an add-on of the Wii, those fans that are not part of the core of Nintendo fans, those fans that possibly will look at the WiiU and not be interested. Nintendo still doesn't know how many of those that bought the Wii will again go an buy their next console, but they still think their next console will have the same support and from there I draw comparisons between PS2 and PS3. Nintendo nowadays is at the same spot that was Sony previously, taking bets and acting as if reaching the #1 spot assures they will be there eternally.

You know what also helps selling platforms? Multiplatform games and what is the certainty that Nintendo has of having parity with the other onsoles in ports of multiplats for the next gen? Read another thread in here.

You guys are accusing me of hating on Nintendo, because I am a Sony fanboy? I can tell you that Sony can screw up big time next gen if they don't do things right , don't have luck (that's part of the ecuation, always, fortune) and people don't support them. Can you tell me that it is possible that Nintendo can end up the same?

Of course it's possible. I just don't believe it will happen.

I had a much grimmer view (no pun intended) of the WiiU back when I didn't understand the potential.

Yes, I do see the risk of Wii consumers dropping its successor. But what I have seen also is Nintendo's continued dominance in the handheld space. If they managed to do that with the DS, I believe that same success can and will be translated and is in the process of being translated to Nintendo's home console market.

In other words, even if those who purchased the Wii don't buy the U again for the reasons they bought the Wii, I believe consumers that bought the DS and now the 3DS are those that will also buy the WiiU. Since the 3DS is doing fine without multiplat titles, I believe now that Nintendo has cemented its leadership for 1 gen in the home console market, that partner (3rd party) confidence is now at an all-time high for Nintendo, ensuring a self-sufficient, Nintendo-only software submarket on Nintendo's home system, supported by Nintendo's 1st party games and exclusive 3rd party Nintendo-only experiences.

And even then, there is a possibility of the current Wii clientele wanting the successor to the Wii and the experiences it brought. Here is the poll data:

 

That's how I see it unfolding, and as such, I see the PS4 selling as much as this gen, and the WiiU outselling the Wii. Just my vision.

As such, I'd be willing to be it'll sell 120M lifetime minimum.

I don't expect as much success for the WiiU as you do. Wii was a phenomenon, and to an incredible extent to the motion aspect of it. You should know how many articles were written about how responsible it was to buy your children games that make them be active, you should know how many times were shown videos of elderly people enjoying the Wii Sports stuff. This time around they are trying to appeal to the touch-screen generation and that is not the same thing that the above consumers were/are looking for, if they are even looking for something nowadays.

I can't tell you that the WiiU won't be the leader of the console market next gen, but I am pretty sure it won't be as successful as the Wii was.

The handleheld market is one thing, the console market other. There is no question of Nintendo's dominace there, and I attribute it largely to their recognizable franchises and to the non-violent nature of their games (I call them childish, yeah, I said it once again) and this makes them the best choice for parents as a purchase for back-seat-pacifiers.

Mario was there for the 64, as it was for the GameCube. I would like to know how many people are willing to buy the WiiU for Mario this time. It would seem that Nintendo's fans have grown since the arrival of the Wii, I want to see how many of those are really loyal and will continue with them. This next month/years will be interesting.

Last time I paid attention to survey's I ended up paying five bucks to a friend for betting against the losing governor of my country in a survey. That's how much I rely on survey's. Wait for the real thing. I am not afraid of admitting that I am wrong, if it comes down to that, but if Nintendo does see themselves not enjoying the same success as with the Wii and we see that the same people that were with them are not buying their console this generation, I would like to see if Nintendo fanboys recognize how Wii's success and therefore Nintendo's laid behind a casual consumer sector which backfired at them in the end.

As I Nintendo fan (but gamer of all consoles), i do agree that the most likely outcome will be less sales, from what we have seen so far.


However I think Nintendo does not care about sales records, because if they did they could have supported the Wii better and carried it past PS2.

All Nintendo care is about profit. Remember gamecube sold like what 25 million consoles? and it made more profit (not revenue) than Sony did on PS2.

I think Nintendo's strategy is simple,

1. Make profit

2.  Brand rebuilding by capturing the next generation of future gamers. (NOTE: too late to regain all the old fans who have moved on)

i.e. Use Nintendo Land as advertisement tool to capture young kids to like mario, zelda, starfox, metroid etc.. so when they grow up at least majority of these kids for the next generation or two, will want to play the flagship Nintendo  franchises before moving onto another console for the 3rd party variety.

If Nintendo play their cards right and can recapture 3rd party support and create mature new IPS, it may prevent them from moving on to another console before  these kids grow up into young adults.

 

BONUS:

3. Sell lots = icing on the cake for them.