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Kasz216 said:

That would be the funny thing about Romney, if he gets elected, functionally he might end up more leftwing the Obama!  Depending on how he handles national security.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.



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badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:

That would be the funny thing about Romney, if he gets elected, functionally he might end up more leftwing the Obama!  Depending on how he handles national security.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least.


I was going to say "because the stuff he's more conservative on like abortion is unactionable"....

but looking at it.... before he had to play up conservatism to run for president... he was argueably more liberal as the govonor of mass, then Obama was as president on Abortion... and gay rights.

Romney actually forced massachtuses to allow gay marriage. 

Mitt is probably less likely to veto a same sex marriage bill.  Used to be against don't ask don't tell.... It's really, kinda funny.  If he was guranteed to revert back to his govonor stances i'd say he was definitly more liberal.



How many states will nullify this? Missouri and Louisiana have already, or are going to, nullify parts of it.



Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Bush was really a lot more "liberal" then people realize.

Bush and Obama are really a lot more indistinguishible from one another than most people in either party are willing to admit.


Preaching to the choir on that one.

I mean, outside of stem cell research I can't think of a Bush position Obama has willingly moved off of.

That would be the funny thing about Romney, if he gets elected, functionally he might end up more leftwing the Obama!  Depending on how he handles national security.

A funny comparison.

http://www.propublica.org/special/obama-vs-bush-on-national-security-timeline

And by funny i of course mean disapointing and horrifying.

Don't Ask Don't Tell. One of Obama's few achievements, and not something Bush would really have done.



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Kantor said:
Kasz216 said:
badgenome said:
Kasz216 said:

 

Bush was really a lot more "liberal" then people realize.

Bush and Obama are really a lot more indistinguishible from one another than most people in either party are willing to admit.


Preaching to the choir on that one.

I mean, outside of stem cell research I can't think of a Bush position Obama has willingly moved off of.

That would be the funny thing about Romney, if he gets elected, functionally he might end up more leftwing the Obama!  Depending on how he handles national security.

A funny comparison.

http://www.propublica.org/special/obama-vs-bush-on-national-security-timeline

And by funny i of course mean disapointing and horrifying.

Don't Ask Don't Tell. One of Obama's few achievements, and not something Bush would really have done.


Except Don't Ask Don't tell wasn't his achivement, and would of happened if Bush was presidents this term.

Little backstory...

A lawsuit was started about Don't ask Don't tell by a particular gay rights advocacy group.

A california federal judge ruled Don't ask Don't tell was illegal and ordered the US Military to rehire all the gay people it discharged for being gay.

The Justice department under Obama filed an injunction preventing the action and appealed and fought long enough for congress to repeal Don't as Don't tell... which at this point was already functionally repealed by the courts.

Why did he go to this trouble?

He didn't want the gay rights advocacy group to get credit for being the ones who got rid of Don't ask don't tell... because they were this gay rights advocacy group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans

Left on his own, DA/DT wouldn't of been repealed.  If he left it alone or fought it, or Bush did, it would of been repealed anyway.

 

He only acted, because he didn't want the biggest civil rights legisilation in 20 years to have been caused by a bunch of republicans, becaiuse it reinforcecs the main truth that minorities can NOT rely on the democratic party to look out for their intrests, because it's too good of a politican issue.

Things like don't Ask Don't Tell, and gay marriage won't be won by the legislature.  It will be won by the courts.

Even if the government will later scramble to get out ahead of the results.



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Actually to be honest, the Repeal of don't ask don't tell HURT gay rights.

Because on repeal the lawsuit got overturned for being "pointless" since the lawsuit was overturned.

If it was upheld (and i believe it would of been) it would of set a legal precedent that would of been a bedrock precedent in pretty much any gay discrimination lawsuit.



SamuelRSmith said:
How many states will nullify this? Missouri and Louisiana have already, or are going to, nullify parts of it.


According to this, 26



TadpoleJackson said:
SamuelRSmith said:
How many states will nullify this? Missouri and Louisiana have already, or are going to, nullify parts of it.


According to this, 26


figures CA wouldn't be on of those states.



TadpoleJackson said:

According to this, 26


Weren't these just the states that took this thing to the Supreme Court in the first place? Passing nullification would require so much more.

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/nullification/health-care/



Kasz216 said:
Actually to be honest, the Repeal of don't ask don't tell HURT gay rights.

Because on repeal the lawsuit got overturned for being "pointless" since the lawsuit was overturned.

If it was upheld (and i believe it would of been) it would of set a legal precedent that would of been a bedrock precedent in pretty much any gay discrimination lawsuit.


I am not a big fan of grammar policing, but three 'would of's in one sentence?!?

On topic; I find your reasoning highly speculative.