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blkfish92 on 22 June 2012

I doubt it, but it'll appear in media and what not. Doesn't anyone just care for the well being of the country!?



           

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Adinnieken on 22 June 2012
Mr Khan said:

Not to play the other side (I am the resident leftist, of course) but he had an American citizen assassinated without trial. Certainly not constitutionally correct.

@ Kasz. Likely because they'd be stupid enough to try it again. Seems to be the mantra of the party, after all.

I would argue, the only thing Obama did was approve the launch of a missile from a Predator drone at a specific target.  Unfortunately, an American citizen, who was in, on, or near the target was accidentally killed in the military operation.

If an American citizen is shot and killed on the field of battle while fighting for the enemy, is that a crime?



MDMAlliance on 22 June 2012
Adinnieken said:
Mr Khan said:

Not to play the other side (I am the resident leftist, of course) but he had an American citizen assassinated without trial. Certainly not constitutionally correct.

@ Kasz. Likely because they'd be stupid enough to try it again. Seems to be the mantra of the party, after all.

I would argue, the only thing Obama did was approve the launch of a missile from a Predator drone at a specific target.  Unfortunately, an American citizen, who was in, on, or near the target was accidentally killed in the military operation.

If an American citizen is shot and killed on the field of battle while fighting for the enemy, is that a crime?


Why would it be a crime?



McDonaldsGuy on 22 June 2012
richardhutnik said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Obama should be impeached for destroying America, that's why he should be impeached. And Romney will be no better.

GW oversaw what set this destruction in place.  Unfortunately, the constitution doesn't have a place for impeachment for destroying America.  There are other reasons for impeachment.


Yeah, America deserves to be destroyed for electing Dubya not once, but twice.

The fact that the next President will either be Romney or Obama disgusts me. This country is done. It was good while it lasted though, wasn't it?



Galaki on 22 June 2012

Obama will be fine as long as he stay clear of sex scandal.



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richardhutnik on 22 June 2012
Adinnieken said:
richardhutnik said:
EdHieron said:
richardhutnik said:
GW Bush didn't get impeached. Clinton wasn't removed from office due to impeachment hearings. Why would Obama? Fast and Furious? Remind me how much worse this is than Iran-Contra.

I don't know how much worse it is.  I just know that due to the strengths of their various propaganda outlets that it looks like a lot of public opinion in the US is with the Conservatives and the last thing Obama needs is impeachment charges hanging over his head down the homestretch of the Presidential election.

My brother, who I hardly ever hear from, sends me a message over Facebook about this, and goes, "What is Obama hiding?".  He is a partisan Republican.  These individuals gave the last administration a pass.  I do have to wonder about this.  As far as I am concerned, Fast and Furious is more government incompetency found in the war on drugs.  Do something even more desperate by letting guns through and then hope to trace where they end up.  They return and shoot up U.S law enforcement officials.

GW had Abu Graib, and this would likely be comparible.  The way politics works, doing what Obama did gets turned around as a weapon.  The denial is worse than the act sometimes.

Of course, it could be spun as some sort of partisan attack, and used to score points.  Obama did allow the birthers to really rail and scream about that issue.  Once things went real nuts, out came the long form birth certificate, causing Trump to drop out of the race.

Fast and Furious was a program begun in 2006.  Obama was elected in 2008, in office in 2009.

The predecessor to Fast and Furious begain in 2006.  Fast and Furious was begun in 2009.  Similar idea, done much broader.



thismeintiel on 22 June 2012
Adinnieken said:

Fast and Furious was a program begun in 2006.  Obama was elected in 2008, in office in 2009.

Wrong.  That was Operation Wide Receiver.  And as far as I know, there were no deaths attributed to those guns (I'm sure there would have been a huge scandal that the news media would have actually reported if there had been), since they were seized when the straw buyers sold their guns to the cartel.  In Fast and Furious (which started in 2009), the guns were allowed to be handed off to the cartel without ever seizing them, supposedly to catch those "higher up" in the cartel.  So far they have been found at ~170 crime scenes and it has been estimated that they are responsible for over 200 deaths, possibly including 2 (definitely 1, while the other is still under investigation) border patrol agents.  Only 665 have been obtained, which leaves 1,355 unaccounted for.

@ OP

Doubt it.  But this is definitely going to have a negative affect on his chances at reelection.  Chances that were already starting to look grim.



 

Kasz216 on 22 June 2012
Flanneryaug said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
I wouldn't put it past the Republicans. They tried it with Clinton, and that was only a midterm election year, having him under impeachment would be a good way to throw the election in their favor, whether or not he or Holder acted wrongly.

Whether or not he acted wrongly?  Congress demanded files from the attorney general.

He refused.

That's wrong, and it's been grounds for contempt of congress on both sides of the aisle and has been used by both sides... well the last two presidents.

Not that it amounts to anything... since you know.  the discetion to prosecute Eric Holder would fall to the Attorney General.  Seems like somebody missed a loophole on that one...

Also... impeachment hearings HELPED clinton and boosted his approval rating, not sure why you'd think this would be any different.

You need to do some research. They demanded documents from Eric Holder that he would have to break the law to give to them. Also, the documents that they want have nothing to do with the death of the agent, and are from after his death. Also, why havent they brought in the former Attorney General that actually started this program? It is clearly political.

No he wouldn't....

it's actually the exact opposite.

Congress has a right to any documents it supeonas.

Obama used exectuive priveledge to cover Holders ass after he refused to give up the information in the first place... because it'd be an embarrsing scandal that could hurt him politically.

Also.  Operation Fast and Furious began in 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal#2009.E2.80.932011:_Operation_Fast_and_Furious



Kasz216 on 22 June 2012
Adinnieken said:
Mr Khan said:

Not to play the other side (I am the resident leftist, of course) but he had an American citizen assassinated without trial. Certainly not constitutionally correct.

@ Kasz. Likely because they'd be stupid enough to try it again. Seems to be the mantra of the party, after all.

I would argue, the only thing Obama did was approve the launch of a missile from a Predator drone at a specific target.  Unfortunately, an American citizen, who was in, on, or near the target was accidentally killed in the military operation.

If an American citizen is shot and killed on the field of battle while fighting for the enemy, is that a crime?


Except that american citizen WAS the target... and he wasn't attacking anybody.



spaceguy on 22 June 2012

fast and furious was started by bush, also how does this have anything to do with Obama. This was way below him but I would not put it past Republicans. They have nothing and that is why they are doing this whole case. What a joke.