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Is Mormonism a Cult?

Yes, Mormonism is a dangerous cult! 42 38.18%
 
Yes, Mormonism is a cult,... 32 29.09%
 
No, Mormonism is not a Cu... 30 27.27%
 
I don't know. 4 3.64%
 
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Mr Khan on 18 June 2012
Kasz216 said:
No more so then say baptists... and i mean honestly... you could only wish that most religious groups did as much good as the mormon church.

They do a LOT of good, are one of the more active charitable christian groups out there... and seem honestly to generally be a lot more positive and generally nice then people on average.

So even if they were a cult, good for them. We'd probably be better off if there were more Mormons out there.

I agree. They have some counterproductive social ideals, but no worse than other branches of Christianity, and do seem to be nice people (part of the reason i wouldn't mind moving to Utah. Perhaps there people socialize through a medium other than alcohol and those damned clubs) despite my general leftism. It really works like that one episode of South Park described it, the foundations of the faith are... questionable, yet more so even than other faiths, but it did produce a well-meaning and overall nice group of people.



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Player1x3 on 19 June 2012
Runa216 said:
Jumpin said:
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:
EdHieron said:

One of the leading US Presidential candidates this year is Mitt Romney.  Romney belongs to a religion whose adherents all practically claim that they are Christians like most of the other citizens in the US; however, there is a significant portion of the population that thinks their religion is quite a bit more mysterious than that, and it has even been stated in some circles that Mormonism is actually a cult.

 

Do you think that Mormonism is a cult?

Asking if "Mormonism is a religion or a cult" is the same as asking "Is Elton John a homosexual or a fag?"

It's just plain impolite disparagement to the group to label them as a cult considering the implication of the labels these days.


Not really, one has to remember that the beliefs of religious groups tend to be on the extreme right wing and there's little ( if any ) scientific evidence to support them.  On the other hand such a question about Elton John would tend to come from someone on the far right like the Mormons which is why they supported Prop 8 and most scientific evidence would indicate that being homosexual is not an abberration of any type; however, staunchly supporting an ideology that has no basis in reality is quite an aberation.  

It's way simpler than that; nothing to do with science or politics. If you call Mormonism a cult instead of a religion, you are insulting them in the same way as you be if you were calling Elton John a fag instead of a homosexual. It's just out of pure ignorance to use either of the insulting terms.

They kind of deserve to be insulted, dude.  They follow unsupported theories and try to push it on people worldwide by harassing us at our homes, being weird and creepy, and borderline aggressive about it.  

If they can't handle the heat, get out of the fire. 

At least homosexuality is a natural thing that's been scientifically proven to be normal in a certain percentage of the population.  Calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime.  Calling a crazy religion (or any religion) a cult is pretty accurate.  


So its accurate because you believe so?



sales2099 on 19 June 2012

To Catholics, Mormons are the pimple on the ass of Christianity.

Im serious, please dont ban me for saying that.



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Jumpin on 19 June 2012
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:
Runa216 said:

 Calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime.  Calling a crazy religion (or any religion) a cult is pretty accurate.  

Then you too are responsible for a hate crime. Discriminating based on religion.

Oh, so we're just supposed to give dangerous cults carte blanche on their behavior and not call them out on anything so that they should have the right to destroy our society, right?  America is supposed to be founded on the principle of freedom and the theocracy that it is the true desire of Mormons to have in America is antithetical to that.

It's a hate crime because you are discriminating based on religion in the same way that a bother type of bigot would discriminate against Elton John. If calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime, then calling a religion like Mormonism a cult is equally a hate crime. Just because Mormons believe in something different from what you believe, doesn't absolve you of guilt when spreading hateful slander about them.



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EdHieron on 19 June 2012
Kasz216 said:
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:
No more so then say baptists... and i mean honestly... you could only wish that most religious groups did as much good as the mormon church.

They do a LOT of good, are one of the more active charitable christian groups out there... and seem honestly to generally be a lot more positive and generally nice then people on average.

So even if they were a cult, good for them. We'd probably be better off if there were more Mormons out there.


I wouldn't exactly say that the Mountain Meadows Massacre was a good thing ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre ), and I'm not sure if there's anything analogous to it in Baptist history.


Well... the inquistion.  Since they branched off from catholics after that.

I mean... seriously... 1857?


I wouldn't be particularly thrilled with the prospect of a Fundamentalist Catholic like Santorum or a Fundamentalist Evangelical like Perry or Bachmann being President either.


Don't think you have a choice, what considering Obama is the most outwardly religious president since Jimmy Carter.


Bush was far more religious than Obama lest we forget he thought he had some calling from a god that doesn't exist to save the world from Islam, he tried to curtail research into stem cells, and he was elected his to second term because he wanted to deny gays their civil rights.

Your not argueing religion here.  Your argueing things done because of interpretation of ones religion.  Obama is even more guided by religion, he just has a different interpretation.  "Obamacare" was very much driven by HIS christian convictions.

Bush talked about God every once in a while sure.

Obama's words however are cluttered with religious phrases, terms and ideas... he actually refrences the bible FAR more then Bush ever did.

It's the differnece between somebody who thinks Monty Python is funny and will recall things he likes and someone who refrences it all the time and uses words because he memorized them from their acts.

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Vote-for-This-Man-John-Fea-02-15-2012?offset=0&max=1


Funny that you think Obama's heavilly influenced by Christianity because most of his detractors think he's a Muslim.



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EdHieron on 19 June 2012
Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Jumpin said:
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:
EdHieron said:

One of the leading US Presidential candidates this year is Mitt Romney.  Romney belongs to a religion whose adherents all practically claim that they are Christians like most of the other citizens in the US; however, there is a significant portion of the population that thinks their religion is quite a bit more mysterious than that, and it has even been stated in some circles that Mormonism is actually a cult.

 

Do you think that Mormonism is a cult?

Asking if "Mormonism is a religion or a cult" is the same as asking "Is Elton John a homosexual or a fag?"

It's just plain impolite disparagement to the group to label them as a cult considering the implication of the labels these days.


Not really, one has to remember that the beliefs of religious groups tend to be on the extreme right wing and there's little ( if any ) scientific evidence to support them.  On the other hand such a question about Elton John would tend to come from someone on the far right like the Mormons which is why they supported Prop 8 and most scientific evidence would indicate that being homosexual is not an abberration of any type; however, staunchly supporting an ideology that has no basis in reality is quite an aberation.  

It's way simpler than that; nothing to do with science or politics. If you call Mormonism a cult instead of a religion, you are insulting them in the same way as you be if you were calling Elton John a fag instead of a homosexual. It's just out of pure ignorance to use either of the insulting terms.

They kind of deserve to be insulted, dude.  They follow unsupported theories and try to push it on people worldwide by harassing us at our homes, being weird and creepy, and borderline aggressive about it.  

If they can't handle the heat, get out of the fire. 

At least homosexuality is a natural thing that's been scientifically proven to be normal in a certain percentage of the population.  Calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime.  Calling a crazy religion (or any religion) a cult is pretty accurate.  


So its accurate because you believe so?


I've listed its characteristics and highly regarded books, etc, that confirm that those are its characteristics, so I would say its accurate because its accurate.  When people believe in things that are patentlt untrue, continue to hold those believes when presented with scholarly evidence of why they're untrue, and attempt to bring others into their ideology, that's cultish behavior.

Now if anyone could present scholarly evidence from the majority of the Biblical Critics and Archaeologists at the highest rated universities that Mormonism is really the one and only true religion as Joseph Smith said it was, I would have to revise my contentions.



Kasz216 on 19 June 2012
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:
EdHieron said:
Kasz216 said:

 

 

 

 

Your not argueing religion here.  Your argueing things done because of interpretation of ones religion.  Obama is even more guided by religion, he just has a different interpretation.  "Obamacare" was very much driven by HIS christian convictions.

Bush talked about God every once in a while sure.

Obama's words however are cluttered with religious phrases, terms and ideas... he actually refrences the bible FAR more then Bush ever did.

It's the differnece between somebody who thinks Monty Python is funny and will recall things he likes and someone who refrences it all the time and uses words because he memorized them from their acts.

http://www.patheos.com/Resources/Additional-Resources/Vote-for-This-Man-John-Fea-02-15-2012?offset=0&max=1


Funny that you think Obama's heavilly influenced by Christianity because most of his detractors think he's a Muslim.


That's because those detractors haven't really listened to what he's said.

In general people on the extreme right and left tend to not dislike a politician for his polices and for what he says, but for what Glenn Beck or Rachael Maddow or whoever SAYS is their politicies and what they said... which is ususally way different.



EdHieron on 19 June 2012
Jumpin said:
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:
Runa216 said:

 Calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime.  Calling a crazy religion (or any religion) a cult is pretty accurate.  

Then you too are responsible for a hate crime. Discriminating based on religion.

Oh, so we're just supposed to give dangerous cults carte blanche on their behavior and not call them out on anything so that they should have the right to destroy our society, right?  America is supposed to be founded on the principle of freedom and the theocracy that it is the true desire of Mormons to have in America is antithetical to that.

It's a hate crime because you are discriminating based on religion in the same way that a bother type of bigot would discriminate against Elton John. If calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime, then calling a religion like Mormonism a cult is equally a hate crime. Just because Mormons believe in something different from what you believe, doesn't absolve you of guilt when spreading hateful slander about them.


The problem has nothing to do with he believes, the problem is there's nothing factually correct about Mormonism, and Mormonism remains a Secretive Organization that tries to hide quite a lot of its teachings from the majority of its members as well as from the general public as is attested that any time a professor at one of their universities tries to reveal the truth about Mormonism then that professor is summariily fired from their jobs and excommunicated from their church.

 Also, Mormonism keeps tabs on the actions of all of its followers in very insidious ways.  See the section on the purpose of the LDS' Strengthening Faith Commission in Historian Richard Abanes' "One Nation Under Gods:  A History of the Mormon Church"  ( http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-Gods-History/dp/B0058M6RXO/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340108430&sr=1-1&keywords=one+nation+under+gods ) and the sections on Mormonism in Yale Professor Harold Bloom Ph. D's "The American Religion:  The Emergence of the Post-Christian Nation" for more general information on what Mormonism really is( http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Religion-Emergence-Post-Christian/dp/0671867377/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340108529&sr=1-2&keywords=the+american+religion ).



Runa216 on 19 June 2012
Jumpin said:
EdHieron said:
Jumpin said:
Runa216 said:

 Calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime.  Calling a crazy religion (or any religion) a cult is pretty accurate.  

Then you too are responsible for a hate crime. Discriminating based on religion.

Oh, so we're just supposed to give dangerous cults carte blanche on their behavior and not call them out on anything so that they should have the right to destroy our society, right?  America is supposed to be founded on the principle of freedom and the theocracy that it is the true desire of Mormons to have in America is antithetical to that.

It's a hate crime because you are discriminating based on religion in the same way that a bother type of bigot would discriminate against Elton John. If calling Elton John a fag is a hate crime, then calling a religion like Mormonism a cult is equally a hate crime. Just because Mormons believe in something different from what you believe, doesn't absolve you of guilt when spreading hateful slander about them.

it's not bigotry if you disrespect someone based on a conscious decision they made.  Pretty sure bigotry is hating someone for something beyond their control, such as race, gengder, or sexuality.  Religion is a choice.  do you think it's a hate crime to say nasty things about the KKK or Neo Nazis?  



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bouzane on 19 June 2012

Just my two cents, anyone who adheres to the teachings of the Old Testament is not Christian. Couple this with the fact that (no offense) Joseph Smith was one of the most blatant and obvious false profits to ever walk the Earth and I can not take Mormonism seriously. The members of the LDS seem to be good people but that won't convince me that their Church's teachings aren't a sham.