Scoobes said:
JazzB1987 said:
Ostro said:
Well, he's right. Until N64 "hardcore gamers" were on Nintendo's side, playing the hell out of any game, easily breaking the 1000 hours playtime and breaking records and highscores.
Why shouldn't the Wii not have hardcore gamers? They may not be the same as in the past but there are still people who play a lot. And by a lot I mean breaking the 1000 hours again. I know lots of those people, mainly those who are still around and started with N64 in the highscore scene.
Nintendo actually never changed. Just the people and former fans.
Take a look at the boxes of the old consoles. They were all about family, multiplayer, etc.
Wii also is.
You could argue games became easier. But saying there are no hardcore gamers on Wii (not necessarily the same as in the past) is just another lame statement using cool words. |
I totally have to agree. I am a so called HARDCORE GAMER. I started as a little kid with a NES my 8 year older sister got lol. We then had a SNES and bought a N64, Cube Wii and all sorts of Nintendo handhelds. (I also own a PS2 PS3 PSP and xbox 360 but because of the really good games not the COD crap etc)
I as a long time Nintendo owner I dont see Nintendo doing any worse than before. Sure they added stuff like the so called casual games Wii sports etc. but we still get Metroid Mario Zelda Kirby etc. So they actually gave us more than before.
The lack of third party is there sure but when I see todays third party games (of which 90% are cash cows etc) I dont really miss them. And the third party games Wii gets like Muramasa etc are enough for me.
People complaining about the lack of Call of Duty or Uncharted or whatever style games on Nintendo consoles have no idea. CALL OF DUTY and UNCHARTED are MAINSTREAM GAMES. Like TRANSFORMERS is a MAINSTREAM MOVIE. Mario is HARDCORE because you cant beat it without dying and it takes ages to complete the game. Call of Duty can be beaten within a few hours and is never so hard that you really die.
Thats because todays mainstream kiddos start to cry when a game is to hard.
And just because in the seperate multiplayer part there isalways one person thatsbetter than me doesnt make COD HARDCORE because the challenge there is not because of the game but because of the player. I can also find people that can fart louder than me anytime so does this make farting hardcore? NO!
For whatever reason the term HARDCORE shifted from being hardcore to being MAINSTREAM and appealing to the 99%. The uniform drones out there. People that still buy stuff just because they see stupid commercials of it.
Just as example. Not that I'm an emo but today's EMOs are no emos. They have no real connection to the term EMOTIONAL as did the original emos. And Goths have also nothing to do with the Gothic architecture etc. Its a simple shift in meaning as with National Socialism or Communism. The idea of both was great (being social and fair is always good) but all the governments so far were stupid and now those 2 political systems are considered BAD.
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By your definition, Counterstrike or any other multiplayer game cannot be "hardcore" because it's the players that provide the challenge, not the game. Or Diablo III isn't hardcore because it can be completed in a mere 8 hours. A hardcore game should be one that requires the player to invest significantly in the game, whether that be emotionally, intellectually (in terms of strategy formulation, picking the correct skills) or in terms of time.
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Best definition of hardcore I've seen so far. Good going.
The only thing is I would say only one or two games, coincidentally by the same people, change it up. For example the sims isn't really a hardcore game, whereas Sim City 4 is....I think it has to be a combination of the components you've mentioned, therefore farmville eque grinding, where you can't lose, wouldn't count, whereas WoW would because you can die if you aren't at least a bit skillful.
