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Barozi on 16 June 2012
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.



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jonop on 16 June 2012
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.


I know. This is especially strange as they didn't give Croatia's 3rd goal against Ireland as an own goal.



jonop on 16 June 2012
Barozi said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.


Oh yeah I see now. I didn't notice that yesterday.



lestatdark on 16 June 2012
Barozi said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.

Still doesn't take from the fact that the ball was heading in even without Johnson's effect on it. It was a clear goal by Mellberg and quite a bad decision by UEFA's part to rule it as an own goal. 





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Barozi on 16 June 2012
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.

Still doesn't take from the fact that the ball was heading in even without Johnson's effect on it. It was a clear goal by Mellberg and quite a bad decision by UEFA's part to rule it as an own goal. 

Hm hard to say. Watch the replay @10:58. The shot was deflected by Hart and was either going into the corner or hit the post.
http://www.footytube.com/video/sweden-england-jun15-121561?ref=tchan_ov_vidgrid



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jonop on 16 June 2012
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.

Still doesn't take from the fact that the ball was heading in even without Johnson's effect on it. It was a clear goal by Mellberg and quite a bad decision by UEFA's part to rule it as an own goal. 


It wasn't going in though. Hart palmed it across the goal and it hit Johnsons's knee. I didn't notice this at first but I don't think it wasn't heading in.



Ajescent on 16 June 2012
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

replays show his first clearance was succesful but only hit the post and his 2nd failed not to mention the ball hit Glen even before the ball got to the line



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lestatdark on 16 June 2012
Barozi said:
lestatdark said:
Barozi said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.

Still doesn't take from the fact that the ball was heading in even without Johnson's effect on it. It was a clear goal by Mellberg and quite a bad decision by UEFA's part to rule it as an own goal. 

Hm hard to say. Watch the replay @10:58. The shot was deflected by Hart and was either going into the corner or hit the post.
http://www.footytube.com/video/sweden-england-jun15-121561?ref=tchan_ov_vidgrid

Johnson was on top of Hart after that defense, though looking at the repetition from the camera behind the net, the ball didn't seem to get that big of a deflection from Hart. 

In either case, this is an issue that could have easily been avoided if there was a clear ruling in the laws of the game, which unfortunately doesn't exist. As long as this remains, there'll continue to be dubious decisions regarding own goals.



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The Fury on 16 June 2012
Ajescent said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

replays show his first clearance was succesful but only hit the post and his 2nd failed not to mention the ball hit Glen even before the ball got to the line

Infact from the replays, to me anyway, Hart actually saved Mellberg's shot, he pushed it on to Johnson. It the bounced towards the goal off Johnson and he tried to save it and failed.

.. Oh people have already said that.



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SecondWar on 16 June 2012
Barozi said:
SecondWar said:
Read in a few places that UEFA have said Sweden's first goal was an own goal by Glen Johnson. I just do not understand this. The ball was heading in before Johnson tried clear it. His clearance failed, and the ball bounced in off the post. that goal should be Mellberg's.

Not what I saw. He kicked the ball in with his knee and then tried to kick it out again hitting the post in the process.

That clears it up. I've watched multiple replays of it and did not spot that. Watched it again and I've finally seen what the UEFA officials saw (basically how The Fury desribed it).

@Jonop: I didn't realise that. If it is the goal I'm thinking of I feel that's a really stupid ruling.