@starcraft -- Yes, at this point we should just agree to disagree. Though I still don't understand how a people who have international laws backing them should not be compensated for their lands and homes that were stolen. :(

International law backing them? I'm not sure if you can call it that. Infact i know you can't. Well you can, but it's not true. There isn't ANY international law backing palestines right to the land.

The only thing close is UN resolution 194. Only problem with that is UN resolution 194 is a non-binding resolution. Which makes it an international suggestion.

Point me to the international law on their side that i'm missing?

Also, as for the "Illegal immigration" during and after WW2. Do you know why that immigration was Illegal?

It's because Jewish people were migrating there too much for the like of the Arab population. Who was afraid of becoming a minority. (Or just didn't want jews living there. One of the two.)

Palestine and the Arab nations didn't like Jewish people migrating. So they forced Britain to make it so only rich jewish people could immigrate basically by paying a ransom.

Once Hitler and some other anti-semetic groups were rising to prominance, amazingly the number of people willing to commit to this racist law increased.

This of course was quite a problem for the Arab people, well and the Jews of Germany since Hitler had cracked down on everything, including their finances.

Of course amazingly they worked around it with German officials so that the Jewish people could access their money to immigrate out.

Of course, this didn't make the Arabs happy. So those in Palestine decided to have a revolt in order to get the Jewish people to stop coming back to there ancesterial homeland. After a couple of years the Brittish couldn't handle it anymore and passed more racist laws preventing jewish people from immigrating. Amazingly some people thought it was a better ideal to break the law then to stay in Nazi Germany and places around nazi Germany.

After the war even more people, some of which just recently freed thought maye it was a good idea to go to the one place where they seemed to have a say in things, though weren't allowed to immigrate to because of racist laws.

So i'm not really going to blame them and treat it as if this was some evil plan to steal land.

It's also amusing that the racist immigration laws were mostly passed just to game arab support incase of a second world war. The Jews only problem was they were too loyal.

I sympathise with the Palestinian's plight, I really do. And in a fair world they would be entitled to compensation from somewhere. It is just that any attrocities that current Israeli jews might have committed tend to be the kind that simply come with war, and are normally in response to, or immediately followed by a retaliation from the Palestinians. The major oppressions you are talking about were committed mainly by third party nations or Jews (and Israeli Arabs) that have died, and were mainly committed against Palestinians that have died.

So my point is not that the Palestinians are not suffering, but that it is unfair to blame their suffering on Israel, and especially on currently living Israeli's by compelling them to pay compensation. Most currently living Israeli's (Jew and Arab) were born in their country and from their perspective cannot be expected to know anything beyond the fact that many Palestinians would be quite happy for them to permanantly disappear, and many (though a smaller number) actively pursue this goal through war.

If Israel were to offer substantial assistence to help form a Palestinian state and eradicate poverty (they already do, but I mean something drastic) in an entirely voluntary environment as a neighbour helping another neighbour, I would be completely behind that. I just think that any payment that was obviously made as some sort of 'compensation' would force currently living Israeli's to admit wrong doing for something that was set in motion long before they were born or old enough to prevent it. Just like the Palestinians, they have known only war.

The Palestinians live an extremely unfair life, but two wrongs do not make a right, and it is just as unfair to blame the people's current plight on modern Israel.

I sympathise with the Palestinian's plight, I really do. And in a fair world they would be entitled to compensation from somewhere. It is just that any attrocities that current Israeli jews might have committed tend to be the kind that simply come with war, and are normally in response to, or immediately followed by a retaliation from the Palestinians. The major oppressions you are talking about were committed mainly by third party nations or Jews (and Israeli Arabs) that have died, and were mainly committed against Palestinians that have died.

So my point is not that the Palestinians are not suffering, but that it is unfair to blame their suffering on Israel, and especially on currently living Israeli's by compelling them to pay compensation. Most currently living Israeli's (Jew and Arab) were born in their country and from their perspective cannot be expected to know anything beyond the fact that many Palestinians would be quite happy for them to permanantly disappear, and many (though a smaller number) actively pursue this goal through war.

If Israel were to offer substantial assistence to help form a Palestinian state and eradicate poverty (they already do, but I mean something drastic) in an entirely voluntary environment as a neighbour helping another neighbour, I would be completely behind that. I just think that any payment that was obviously made as some sort of 'compensation' would force currently living Israeli's to admit wrong doing for something that was set in motion long before they were born or old enough to prevent it. Just like the Palestinians, they have known only war.

The Palestinians live an extremely unfair life, but two wrongs do not make a right, and it is just as unfair to blame the people's current plight on modern Israel.

That is the most blatant and disgusting selective quoting I have ever see. You take a double-negative sentence, cut it in half so as to directly flip it's meaning, then try to sell it as my belief.

I strongly suggest you edit that post out, because if not, it will be extremely easy for anyone on these forums to use this conversation to dismiss your credibility entirely.

I thought this was a remotely civil and intelligent debate until you pulled out that gem mate. Extremely mature.