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SamuelRSmith said:
Rath said:

Your worldview seems completely nutty to me. People should not be allowed tanks. Tanks are weapons of offence, not self-defence. There is no practical reason to own a working tank except for killing a large number of people.

What about nuclear bombs? The government can have them so people can too?


People shouldn't be allowed to use the tank for offence, just defence. Sure, the scenarios where a tank would be neccessary for defence are extremely rare (to the point where, yeah, it's basically nutty to own one). But if you're one of those tin-foil hat guys who believes that the USA is going to be a military dictatorship in 10 years, then, why not?

Remember that the Government is only supposed to go to war for defense purposes. If a Government can be allowed to own tanks for defense, so can you. Would I suggest you buy one? Not really, unless you're a multi-millionaire with large amounts of land and lots of stuff to blow up.

Actually, with nuclear bombs, I'd argue the case that, no, nobody should be allowed that kind of destructive power. Governments included.


Just like how people only use guns for self defence right?



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Rath said:


Just like how people only use guns for self defence right?


I'm not really sure what criminal would invest in a tank to assist them in street muggings.



SamuelRSmith said:
Rath said:


Just like how people only use guns for self defence right?


I'm not really sure what criminal would invest in a tank to assist them in street muggings.


Because there are no nutters who go on rampages in the world.



Rath said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Rath said:


Just like how people only use guns for self defence right?


I'm not really sure what criminal would invest in a tank to assist them in street muggings.


Because there are no nutters who go on rampages in the world.





The other point we must remember on the "guns for liberty" line is that the more successful regime transitions over the past 30 years have all been accomplished peacefully, even against rather militaristic regimes. My undergraduate thesis was on democratic transition, and the one commonality of the sample i looked out (outside of Romania) was that the transitions ran almost entirely peacefully. Recent data proves you don't need guns to affect the overthrow of tyranny, and may even suggest that guns are counterproductive to such (because it usually just leads to the armed faction of the opposition seizing power). It isn't the 18th century anymore.



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sethnintendo said:

KILLDOZER 

Zomg! We need to ban bulldozers!



Mr Khan said:

The government shouldn't need to fear the people, nor should the people need to fear the government. It's that kind of narrow-minded paranoia that leads to the problems we currently face.

To which problems are you referring? Because I'd argue that the U.S. government is so spendthrifty and wasteful and disdainful of civil liberties because it doesn't fear the people, and they've been allowed to do it because the people haven't feared the government thanks to spending most of the past century confusing patriotism and love of country with love of said government.



badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The government shouldn't need to fear the people, nor should the people need to fear the government. It's that kind of narrow-minded paranoia that leads to the problems we currently face.

To which problems are you referring? Because I'd argue that the U.S. government is so spendthrifty and wasteful and disdainful of civil liberties because it doesn't fear the people, and they've been allowed to do it because the people haven't feared the government thanks to spending most of the past century confusing patriotism and love of country with love of said government.

The lack of trust in both cases that leads to said civil liberties trampling, but also to the acumulation of gun nuts and the general selfishness pervading society



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I feel that this thread has taken a rather obscure turn down strawman-argument lane, perhaps we should retreat a bit back to the subject matter.



Mr Khan said:

The lack of trust in both cases that leads to said civil liberties trampling, but also to the acumulation of gun nuts and the general selfishness pervading society

"Sorry, people! You don't trust us, so we'll just have to take your money and use it to buy weapons with which to bludgeon you and jails in which to imprison you until you learn to trust us!"

Poor old gubmint. They just want to be loved.