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zarx said:
Mistershine said:
I pirated the witcher 1 and played it for a bit then got it from GOG, so it worked for that game.

None of my Wii, PSP or DS games have inspired me to pay for them though. I still have 0 paid for games for any system.


sorry to say this but, I think you are a bad person and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself 


If it's all the same to you then no, I'll skip the shame in favour of an evil laugh.

Mwahahahaha!

On a serious note I find no value in the games for these systems and have played none beyond a few hours at most. If there was a game I wanted to play and enjoyd then I would buy it. On my 360 I have best part of 100 retail games, most from new, so have no problem buying games that I feel are worth it.



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“I would rather say that a big part of these 4.5 million pirated copies are considered a form of trial version, or even a demo. Gamers download [pirate copies] because it’s easy, fast, and, frankly, costs nothing. If they like the game and they start investing the time, some of them will go and buy it.

 


And many of the people who go out and buy it wouldn't have had they not downloaded it and tried it first.  The reason some people buy games is because they can try it for free like this.  Sharing creates sales, and it all balances out.  Great thread.



Mummelmann said:
JoeTheBro said:
This is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time!
Basically he is saying this situation below is ok.

"Buy this car, it's great!"
"Ya I don't really want to buy it but I'll take it for free"
"No problem sir, here's your car"

Next person

"Hey I'd like that car too please. Can I get it for free too?"
"If I said no, would you still buy it?"
"I guess"
"Then no. Sorry but unlike the other guy who didn't really want it, you have to pay"

I swear the world keeps losing brain cells.


This still isn't how this works.

Aquiring copy =/= theft, the car would still be standing in the lot for someone else to buy

What GOG is saying is this; "Take this car for a test drive, perhaps you'll want to buy it!"

Still a better attitude than; "Fuck you, we'll ruin your games with DRM and everyone but the pirates will be affected by this."

zarx; you have nothing pirated on your PC? MP3's, TV shows, movies? There are more horrible things to do in this world than pirate stuff, I hardly think pirating games makes you a bad person by default. What about services like Grooveshark or free Spotify? Content available for use to end users without being paid for, its not like commercials income will rack up a fortune (and Grooveshark doesn't even have advertising at all).

PS: For the record, no I don't pirate my games but I do download TV shows on torrent sites since they either show up here a year after everywhere else or simply isn't available at all.


Are you kidding me? Downloading illegal copies does = theft but I'm not here to attack the people that do it. I'm arguing against the people who blindly support it. First off it's not a test drive but a "here is the car sir. It is yours but if you like it please come back and buy a second". This rips off the seller and legal buyers. Of course a few will use the download as a demo but a lot more will play the whole thing, not like it too much, and move on. The entertainment industry does not directly make money on satisfaction, but through marketing convincing consumers to buy. If a kid thinks a game looks cool and buys it only to discover it's so so, how is it fair? If he broke the law and downloaded the game he would have saved $60 yet he didn't. Instead the legal consumer is penalized. Rant over lol

 

On a side note, I do agree current security efforts suck. Hackers will bypass whatever is used so why not just get rid of it and use a different approach.



JoeTheBro said:
Mummelmann said:
JoeTheBro said:
This is one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time!
Basically he is saying this situation below is ok.

"Buy this car, it's great!"
"Ya I don't really want to buy it but I'll take it for free"
"No problem sir, here's your car"

Next person

"Hey I'd like that car too please. Can I get it for free too?"
"If I said no, would you still buy it?"
"I guess"
"Then no. Sorry but unlike the other guy who didn't really want it, you have to pay"

I swear the world keeps losing brain cells.


This still isn't how this works.

Aquiring copy =/= theft, the car would still be standing in the lot for someone else to buy

What GOG is saying is this; "Take this car for a test drive, perhaps you'll want to buy it!"

Still a better attitude than; "Fuck you, we'll ruin your games with DRM and everyone but the pirates will be affected by this."

zarx; you have nothing pirated on your PC? MP3's, TV shows, movies? There are more horrible things to do in this world than pirate stuff, I hardly think pirating games makes you a bad person by default. What about services like Grooveshark or free Spotify? Content available for use to end users without being paid for, its not like commercials income will rack up a fortune (and Grooveshark doesn't even have advertising at all).

PS: For the record, no I don't pirate my games but I do download TV shows on torrent sites since they either show up here a year after everywhere else or simply isn't available at all.


Are you kidding me? Downloading illegal copies does = theft but I'm not here to attack the people that do it. I'm arguing against the people who blindly support it. First off it's not a test drive but a "here is the car sir. It is yours but if you like it please come back and buy a second". This rips off the seller and legal buyers. Of course a few will use the download as a demo but a lot more will play the whole thing, not like it too much, and move on. The entertainment industry does not directly make money on satisfaction, but through marketing convincing consumers to buy. If a kid thinks a game looks cool and buys it only to discover it's so so, how is it fair? If he broke the law and downloaded the game he would have saved $60 yet he didn't. Instead the legal consumer is penalized. Rant over lol

 

On a side note, I do agree current security efforts suck. Hackers will bypass whatever is used so why not just get rid of it and use a different approach.

This only produces another problem for me; if the evil lies only within denying the developer/publisher any money for the purchase then used game sales through the likes of Gamestop should cease. On top of taking the sale of a fresh copy from developers/publishers they even make tons of money off of it themselves.

There's a reason why quite a few developers are starting to demand consoles with protection from used games through hardware and software (I don't think this is viable either, a consumer should be able to sell his product to others, not to mention that lending someone a game goes out the window, and how about retail rentals?)

This is an intricate subject where neither side is completely in the right in my opinion.

We can at least agree that game-impairing DRM is not good. Diablo 3 is a recent prime example.



Mistershine said:
zarx said:
Mistershine said:
I pirated the witcher 1 and played it for a bit then got it from GOG, so it worked for that game.

None of my Wii, PSP or DS games have inspired me to pay for them though. I still have 0 paid for games for any system.


sorry to say this but, I think you are a bad person and you should frankly be ashamed of yourself 


If it's all the same to you then no, I'll skip the shame in favour of an evil laugh.

Mwahahahaha!

On a serious note I find no value in the games for these systems and have played none beyond a few hours at most. If there was a game I wanted to play and enjoyd then I would buy it. On my 360 I have best part of 100 retail games, most from new, so have no problem buying games that I feel are worth it.

well that is ok then



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