why did you said these games were crap then ?

Yeah, sorry I generalized - but my point still stands: they were better before MS got their hands on them...

If Rare is able to put out anything even close to the quality it did on a regular basis during their heyday in the 90's with Nintendo, then the 720 will be the console to beat next gen.

They've already been working on the games for a while and now they're just hiring new people because production for said games is probably ramping up significantly.

Is it just me or is trolling pretty hard in this thread. Somehow it is okay to say "Rare sucks these days" without actually playing the games. Or "I hope MS is not involved, because this is where Lionhead failed!"

I will just do the same for the next "OMG Guerilla Games is working on a GAME!" Thread. What the hell were you thinking they are doing anyway!?

I know. Some users are immature. Not to justify their childish behaviors, but Rare has a lot to prove. Having established themselves in the 90's, only then to fully accomodate Family-oriented games as of late is quite the contrast to their former selves. I'm sure it was a communal decision with Microsoft.

Creating a 'AAA' game now puts them in that much pressure from fans of the old Rare. I guess, we'll all have to see.

A proper Banjo Kazooie game, please.Hated Nuts and Bolts.

You do realize that during that same period, Rare was pumping out sports and wrestling games too, right?

Pretty much the team responsible for Golden Eye 007 and Perfect Dark left immediately after Perfect Dark finished and started their own studio, which was purchased by Crytek.

I have explained it before, and I will explain it again. Rare didn't fall from grace, because Microsoft acquired them. It was a long time coming, and well under way by the end of the 64s life cycle. The developer wasn't exactly pumping out its greatest titles near the end of their time with Nintendo. It was equal parts success on their part, and a major failure on the part of Nintendo. Rare a second party studio should never have been a position where it was matching the first party title for title, but that is what ended up happening. The studio was just run right into the ground for all intent and purposes.

First it was overworked, and then it was out positioned. Everyone forgets this was a developer that was familiar with developing for cart formats, and was suddenly thrust into discs years after most studios had made their own format transitions. They really got tossed into the deep end, and ironically for all the bitching and moaning that surrounds Microsoft buying the studio. Chances are it would have collapsed under the pressure if it hadn't been pulled away from the brink. Rare just wasn't doing very well when Microsoft came along.

Honestly I think Rare is in a position to have a real breakout, and I actually think the turning point was the game that people mock. The reality is Nuts and Bolts though not popular was very innovative in its concept. Which isn't a bad concept if it were worked into a Mariokart like game. The notion of building vehicles with different handling qualities in a kart combat/racing game could be hugely successful. So I don't think the innovation is lacking it is just a matter of implementation.

While they were pumping out sports and wrestle games they made good quality games as well - much more so than during the mid 2000's...