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How many times have you seen it, or plan to, in theaters?

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1 18 50.00%
 
2 4 11.11%
 
3 6 16.67%
 
4 1 2.78%
 
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see dirty insides 7 19.44%
 
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rocketpig said:
Mordred11 said:

All your arguments are invalid as to why The Avengers ISN'T the most hyped movie ever. It seems to me that being older gives you a certain arrogance,and just can't admit that you may be wrong.


Okay, this is my last response to you. It's convenient how you typed this paragraph but cut the part of my post where I said I'm not bold enough to claim anything is "most hyped" without evidence to support the argument. Yes, that reeks of arrogance.

You list the other movies that drove some Avengers hype. I won't argue that but what makes that any different than the early Harry Potter movies driving the hype behind the final film? What makes that any different than the monster hype behind the original trilogy driving Star Wars prequel hype? What makes it any different than Fellowship and Towers driving the hype behind RotK?

Simply put, it doesn't.

Studios create hype by throwing money at a movie. Part of that payoff is in how many theatres buy the movie for screening. The Avengers isn't even in the top three in that regard. Another way they expect a monetary payoff is to show the movie when the most people are able to see it. That means a mid-summer release or Memorial Day at the very least. They shuffled the film three weeks in front of the typical summer movie schedule. And finally, the Avengers didn't even have the best opening day, which doesn't speak well of the supposed "most hyped movie of all time" argument.

For the last time, I'm not arguing whether Avengers was hyped. I'm not making much of a claim past "its hype is on par with several movies that preceeded it". You're the one adamantly claiming something. I'm simply saying that you're probably wrong because evidence doesn't lead to that conclusion. That's it.

And now I'm done with this conversation.

No,you didn't just simply say that.You brought up several arguments and I have brought crystal-clear true counter- arguments that anyone with an idea of how the box office works would understand. It seems that you're not one of those people. You keep insist with those false-based arguments that have nothing to do with The Avengers being the most hyped or not.

I've explained clearly why your points are invalid,but you're just too inexperienced with the box office to understand them. You're an intelligent person that knows what he's talking about most of the time. But you have to admit that sometimes,you just don't have enough knowledge in a certain category to argue.

And now I'm done with this conversation,and hopefully we don't clash in another argument again,because this hasn't been fun at all.



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The Crow and the Dark Knight are still better to me. As a summer flick? Yep, i'd say it's up there even as a super group movie.



rocketpig said:
WiiBox3 said:

But I do agree with your statement that advertising, or lets just say marketing, brings in the majority of revenue. You can not get huge word of mouth quickly without first having a large marketing campaign drawing in the first audience. (Great reviews are not enough) If Disney/Marvel had not spent so much on marketing Avengers, then it would not be breaking records right now, though it is possible it could do so in the long run.

Obviously, marketing is important. My only point was that Avengers probably isn't the most hyped movie to ever hit theatres, as Mordred has claimed multiple times. Was it "hyped"? Oh, certainly. But not any more than any other first tier blockbuster movie.

If it was the most hyped of all time, it would have seen more theatre screenings than it did. Part of the marketing blitz is putting the movie in as many theatres as possible to maximize first weekend revenue. It didn't have the most screens. It isn't even in the top three in most screens.

Shit, if it was the most hyped movie of all time, Disney wouldn't have released it in early May. It would have seen a July release, which is considered peak movie time.


I would agree, that leading up to release, it was not the most hyped movie in history. I would say Star Wars Episode 1 would be the most hyped movie in my lifetime, but I can't talk for movies before I was born. Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz (the first two movies in color) could easily have been much more hyped, at least in the US.



WiiBox3 said:

I would agree, that leading up to release, it was not the most hyped movie in history. I would say Star Wars Episode 1 would be the most hyped movie in my lifetime, but I can't talk for movies before I was born. Gone With the Wind or The Wizard of Oz (the first two movies in color) could easily have been much more hyped, at least in the US.

Agreed. Mordred just doesn't realize how insane Episode I was before its release. It made the cover of Newsweek and the front page of the LA Times (I lived in LA at that point, can't speak for other cities), for crying out loud. You couldn't walk anywhere without being assaulted by the hype surrounding that movie. Over half the theatre screens in my area were dedicated to that one film. Every showing was sold out a week before it released. It was ridiculous and honestly, set the movie up for failure because nothing would have lived up to the media blitz.

It also didn't help that the movie wasn't very good.

Avengers didn't get this kind of hype:




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hunter_alien said:
WiiBox3 said:
^Hey don't insult all of us 30+ on this forum.


It was aimed at the people over 30 I personally know, and nobody from VGC. I was just trying to proove a point, thats its just as bad as downplaying someone for his young age. I appolagise if it sounded offensive, it was not intended to be so


Appology accepted.



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rocketpig said:

Agreed. Mordred just doesn't realize how insane Episode I was before its release. It made the cover of Newsweek and the front page of the LA Times (I lived in LA at that point, can't speak for other cities), for crying out loud. You couldn't walk anywhere without being assaulted by the hype surrounding that movie. Over half the theatre screens in my area were dedicated to that one film. Every showing was sold out a week before it released. It was ridiculous and honestly, set the movie up for failure because nothing would have lived up to the media blitz.

It also didn't help that the movie wasn't very good.

Avengers didn't get this kind of hype:

Not only that, but people camped out for days for that Midnight showing, which they already had tickets to. Now if the movie was a great film, it might be in the top three grossing films of all time right now. Unfortunately, many of my generation hated what the movie did to the francise.

But I guess if I was 8 when the film came out, I may have loved it.



WiiBox3 said:
rocketpig said:

Agreed. Mordred just doesn't realize how insane Episode I was before its release. It made the cover of Newsweek and the front page of the LA Times (I lived in LA at that point, can't speak for other cities), for crying out loud. You couldn't walk anywhere without being assaulted by the hype surrounding that movie. Over half the theatre screens in my area were dedicated to that one film. Every showing was sold out a week before it released. It was ridiculous and honestly, set the movie up for failure because nothing would have lived up to the media blitz.

It also didn't help that the movie wasn't very good.

Avengers didn't get this kind of hype:

Not only that, but people camped out for days for that Midnight showing, which they already had tickets to. Now if the movie was a great film, it might be in the top three grossing films of all time right now. Unfortunately, many of my generation hated what the movie did to the francise.

But I guess if I was 8 when the film came out, I may have loved it.

Heh, yep. I took Thursday off work for the midnight showing, got in line around noon and I was still 25th in line for the movie.

By six o'clock, there were a couple hundred people in line throwing a party, playing games, barbequeing, and ordering pizza for delivery.

I can't remember if they had four or six screens dedicated to the midnight showing of that film. By the time 11 o'clock rolled around, there were around 1,000 people in line.

Now that is hype.




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d21lewis said:
rocketpig said:
d21lewis said:
No love for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Anyway, I saw The Avengers in theaters. Now, I'm gonna watch it on my Vita! I pirated it from the net. Yeah, I'll still buy it on Blu Ray but, in the meantime, I gotta watch it again and again. Can't wait to go to work tonight!

The only decent TMNT movie was the 2007 animated flick. The first film drew too much from the cartoon and too little from the far superior comic book.

Leonardo vs. Raphael > Thor vs. Iron Man

I have fond memories of the first one (I have to admit that I never read the black and white Eastman and Laird comics).  I haven't seen it in ages, though.  Probably not since a year or two after it came out.


I would have to agree. I love the Turtles and I loved all three live action movies when I saw them. But I never read the comics, so my love came from the TV show, the movies, the video games, the action figures... The Turtles have always been a goofy bunch of teens that loved pizza and might as well have been smoking pot, with how they acted.

Though if you changed that to be: Leonardo & Raphael < Thor & Iron Man

Not by how cool they are, but who would win in a battle, it would never be the Turtles from the cartoon. They were never great warriors unless all four of them worked togeather.



rocketpig said:
WiiBox3 said:
rocketpig said:

Agreed. Mordred just doesn't realize how insane Episode I was before its release. It made the cover of Newsweek and the front page of the LA Times (I lived in LA at that point, can't speak for other cities), for crying out loud. You couldn't walk anywhere without being assaulted by the hype surrounding that movie. Over half the theatre screens in my area were dedicated to that one film. Every showing was sold out a week before it released. It was ridiculous and honestly, set the movie up for failure because nothing would have lived up to the media blitz.

It also didn't help that the movie wasn't very good.

Avengers didn't get this kind of hype:

Not only that, but people camped out for days for that Midnight showing, which they already had tickets to. Now if the movie was a great film, it might be in the top three grossing films of all time right now. Unfortunately, many of my generation hated what the movie did to the francise.

But I guess if I was 8 when the film came out, I may have loved it.

Heh, yep. I took Thursday off work for the midnight showing, got in line around noon and I was still 25th in line for the movie.

By six o'clock, there were a couple hundred people in line throwing a party, playing games, barbequeing, and ordering pizza for delivery.

I can't remember if they had four or six screens dedicated to the midnight showing of that film. By the time 11 o'clock rolled around, there were around 1,000 people in line.

Now that is hype.

Speaking of midnight showings, did you know that The Empire Strikes Back was one of the very first? That film had some huge hype behind it as well.



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