The data isn't perfect but when one console is consistently overtracked compared to another then clearly there is a problem. Beyond this tho having a forum where there is a group of posters who post almost nothing but pro MS stuff trying to make out the 360 is hard done by when in reality it is the ps3, all whilst making out that these forums are in fact biased towards Sony then that is another problem.

And when you post all i see is the same. Still waiting to be proved wrong.

Ok this isnt 2006-2007.

The internet console fans have a vast majority of PS3 loyalists. Even here 360 centric posters such as myself are in a minority. I have no idea how you got such a deluded picture when its exactly the opposite. 

O good, i was wondering when you'd show up. You do realise you've just further proved my point.

I am only one person. You proved nothing. Your again, deluded for thinking 360 supporters are the majority.

And there isnt a conspiracy against Sony....if thats your reason why 360 always seems to be overtracked. It just happens and its corrected. No harm done. 

You are now the fifth pro MS poster (most of whom have a microsoft avatar/signature, go figure) who's come into this thread trying to claim otherwise vs zero pro Sony posters who've chipped in....hmmm strange that.

And to be honest i think you're getting confused, i am not saying that there are definitely more Microsoft or Sony fans on this site, what i am saying is there are more Microsoft fans posting pro MS numbers on the forums trying to claim that the 360 is hard done by, as well as the ps3 is being overtracked, in an effort to try and get the numbers changed on this site to what they want. On top of that Microsoft fans think that it actually happens the other way round, sigh.

And i have never said that there is a conspiracy from the owners of this site against Sony, that's just ridiculous.

I like the pic, it makes me noticable to people who regularly visit the forum.  If you want to hide behind a blank avatar because you think it somehow hides the fact you're massively pro Sony, then that's fine by me. 

Your poor attitude and whining posts show your agenda not any avatar or signature you may have.  I look forward to your upcoming perma ban when I figure out who's alt you are.

P.S - Your opinion is not fact, your misguided belief in this basic truth means any debate with you is out of the question, it's boring reading the same straw man arguments from you.

Still waiting to be proved wrong when i post facts in the form of the actual numbers. When i pointed out that the 360 normally gets overtracked on this site compared to the ps3 i was greated by the usual suspects crying, 'no, no the ps3 is constantly overtracked and the 360 is undertracked, you're wrong/biased', so i backed up what i said by showing that for the past 9 months in a row the 360 has been overtracked more in america compared to the ps3 as well as being overtracked more at christmas worldwide. To which then i don't get any apologies or admissions of being wrong, i just get people with zero proof still trying to claim the opposite as if it was fact and it's the same old posters who do it. And these posters are the same ones who fought tooth and nail over the who really won 2011 thread and argued about the shipment numbers for both chirstmas and march, which again i provided solid proof showing that Mircosoft normally have signifcantly more in the retail channel at both thoses times of the year, yet those same posters just continue to ignore the facts and claim the 360 is getting hard done by compared to the ps3, it's pretty sad.

You made a claim and have no evidence, actually the burden is on you to prove your facts which you can't so you're still wrong and still claiming opinion as fact.  Also I only see one person crying about the numbers in these threads and it isn't the 360 fans.  You seem to be on some sort of sad crusade ever since Sony's shipment figures proved we were overtracking them.  Adjustments will come though.

Just out of interest I'm pretty sure we disussed in another thread that if you take NPD figures purely from January this year there is actually 100k difference in tracking variance between the 360 and PS3 which is well below 5% tolerance.  This actually means for the last 5 months your "facts" are wrong.  You're using a NPD *ESTIMATE* as a factual number which it isn't, they make mistakes too and make historical adjustments just like VG Chartz.  The 360 might be overtracked more than the PS3, particular in the holidays but it is also adjusted down far more, the difference is the 360 fans on this site don't whine for weeks prior to adjustments claiming it's somehow not fair like you're doing regarding the upcoming downward adjustment by 500k for the PS3 (and it will come).

Take your incorrect straw man arguments and massively spun facts and figures and make your own thread if your so convinced because you've taken this one far enough off topic now and several other threads might I add. 

Gosh, if you need an apology...I'm sorry you take made up numbers on a Web site so seriously.  I feel bad for you, I really do, but who cares if VGC over or undertracks?  Honestly, who really cares?  You keep making it out as if somehow your ego depends on VGC getting it right 100% of the time.  It doesn't.  Get over it.

Why does it really matter to YOU that any console or gaming system is over or under tracked?  At some point the numbers get adjusted up or down, so why is it so important that the numbers are perfect?  It can't be bragging rights, because you have no personal stake in Sony.  It's a console.  It can't be that Sony is selling more than the Xbox 360 in the US, because it hasn't in more than nine months.  So if the numbers aren't perfect, and they're corrected at the end of every month, why is over or undertracking by VGC such and important issue for you? 

Don't offer some dumb excuse like the PS3 isn't being treated fairly.  They're numbers, you can't assign fairness to numbers especially when every month there's a report out in markets saying how much the console gets sold.  Fairness is something between two people, not between a number and an inanimate object used to play games with.

So your feelings are hurt, you feel slighted, because VGC has incomplete data and that incomplete data is inaccurate.  You want to make this an issue about Sony vs. Microsoft, PS3 vs. Xbox 360.  It isn't.  They're numbers.  Inaccurate numbers sometimes, but numbers.  If you don't like VGC's number, don't pay attention to them.  VGC's numbers only are important if you believe they are important.  So, at the very least, stop believing they are as important as you think they are.  As I said before, they are a guide, not fact.

This also has nothing to do with what console people play games on.  I call out bullshit when I see bullshit, regardless of which way it goes, because all too often people throw out bullshit as fact when it's easy enough on the Internet to do a bit of research and look it up.  Guess why I'm commenting on your posts? :D

When you came up with your conspiracy theory regarding VGC, did you ever stop and ask yourself what would be behind their motive for fudging the numbers in favor of the Xbox 360 when the whole premise of VGC is to sell the data to people within the video game industry as reasonably accurate guidance and data?  Don't you get the more frequently their data is inaccurate, the less valuable their product and less able they are to market it?  So, do you really, honestly believe that VGC sits there and wants their data inaccurate?  Do you start to understand how your theory is falling apart when you actually begin to task it with logic?