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Kasz216 on 22 May 2012
TheProphet said:
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.

Except... that's not true.

The US has a 13.83 births/1,000 Crude Birth rate.

Compaired to a

8.38 deaths/1,000 population Death rate.

 

US still has a baby surplus.

Except you don't know what you're talking about. The fertility rate for Whites is 1.6 which means that there are 16 children for 20 adults, which means that Whites are a dying people in America. That is why the population of Hispanics and Muslims is increasing through immigration. They are replacing they dying White population. This is happening in every secular state, Europe, North America, even secular Jews in Israel are dying out. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (replacing the Godless secular societies). 

How the hell does "White = American".

If a hispanic or muslim family has been here 4-5 generations that doesn't count as "american" to you?



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TheProphet on 22 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.

Except... that's not true.

The US has a 13.83 births/1,000 Crude Birth rate.

Compaired to a

8.38 deaths/1,000 population Death rate.

 

US still has a baby surplus.

Except you don't know what you're talking about. The fertility rate for Whites is 1.6 which means that there are 16 children for 20 adults, which means that Whites are a dying people in America. That is why the population of Hispanics and Muslims is increasing through immigration. They are replacing they dying White population. This is happening in every secular state, Europe, North America, even secular Jews in Israel are dying out. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (replacing the Godless secular societies). 

How the hell does "White = American".

If a hispanic or muslim family has been here 4-5 generations that doesn't count as "american" to you?

So that’s your informed answer. In 1980 White people made up 80 percent of the population of America. Now they are at 50%.  The cause of the trend has not changed. Whites will continue to decline. Did you know that a country is named by its population? The name America came from an Italian. There are forces at work to become bi-lingual. It is all part of a rapidly dying country.

 I guess that’s okay with you if you like genocide. Isn’t that what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in Germany, reduced the population of Jews. So what percentage is okay with you 5, 25, 0? Please tell us? Would you care so little if it was a population of dolphins, or any other race?

 



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 22 May 2012
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.


You mean like gay marriages and improved welfare/economics? I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that the less religious countries tend to have a better economy than religious ones.

Also, are you saying that America is dying in comparison to Islamic countries? Because that's... disturbing, in my opinion.



TheProphet on 22 May 2012
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.


You mean like gay marriages and improved welfare/economics? I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that the less religious countries tend to have a better economy than religious ones.

Also, are you saying that America is dying in comparison to Islamic countries? Because that's... disturbing, in my opinion.

I'm just reporting the facts. You can give your own opinion. I am an expert on dying countries, and there are many of them. They are all secular. Yes, the Islamic nations have a birthrate of about 5 per family. That is why they are immigrating. If the population was dying, like Britain, France, Italy, there would not be a surplus to immigrate. That is why you don't get immigration from these countries anymore. 

It is disturbing to some. Others are fine with it. 



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 22 May 2012
TheProphet said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

You mean like gay marriages and improved welfare/economics? I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that the less religious countries tend to have a better economy than religious ones.

Also, are you saying that America is dying in comparison to Islamic countries? Because that's... disturbing, in my opinion.

I'm just reporting the facts. You can give your own opinion. I am an expert on dying countries, and there are many of them. They are all secular. Yes, the Islamic nations have a birthrate of about 5 per family. That is why they are immigrating. If the population was dying, like Britain, France, Italy, there would not be a surplus to immigrate. That is why you don't get immigration from these countries anymore. 

It is disturbing to some. Others are fine with it. 


I'd rather have a dying country than a country who's inhabitants feel compelled to not use birth protection. At least then the inhabitants do what they want rather than what they feel obliged to (by religious laws and customs).

And no, they are not immigrating to us westerns because their home countries are getting overpopulated (where did you get that from?), they are coming here because they want to live a more open and wealthy life.



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Kasz216 on 22 May 2012
TheProphet said:
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.

Except... that's not true.

The US has a 13.83 births/1,000 Crude Birth rate.

Compaired to a

8.38 deaths/1,000 population Death rate.

 

US still has a baby surplus.

Except you don't know what you're talking about. The fertility rate for Whites is 1.6 which means that there are 16 children for 20 adults, which means that Whites are a dying people in America. That is why the population of Hispanics and Muslims is increasing through immigration. They are replacing they dying White population. This is happening in every secular state, Europe, North America, even secular Jews in Israel are dying out. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (replacing the Godless secular societies). 

How the hell does "White = American".

If a hispanic or muslim family has been here 4-5 generations that doesn't count as "american" to you?

 

So that’s your informed answer. In 1980 White people made up 80 percent of the population of America. Now they are at 50%.  The cause of the trend has not changed. Whites will continue to decline. Did you know that a country is named by its population? The name America came from an Italian. There are forces at work to become bi-lingual. It is all part of a rapidly dying country.

 I guess that’s okay with you if you like genocide. Isn’t that what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in Germany, reduced the population of Jews. So what percentage is okay with you 5, 25, 0? Please tell us? Would you care so little if it was a population of dolphins, or any other race?

 

 

America is Italian.

Yet when America first started there were almost no Italins in America.  The population mostly consisting of Germans and English.  So.... come again?

Aso, genocide...?   Like... i'm just going to assume your not serious here... that you consider it Genocide that white people are smart enough to not want children because children are a pain in the ass.



TheProphet on 22 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Kasz216 said:
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.

Except... that's not true.

The US has a 13.83 births/1,000 Crude Birth rate.

Compaired to a

8.38 deaths/1,000 population Death rate.

 

US still has a baby surplus.

Except you don't know what you're talking about. The fertility rate for Whites is 1.6 which means that there are 16 children for 20 adults, which means that Whites are a dying people in America. That is why the population of Hispanics and Muslims is increasing through immigration. They are replacing they dying White population. This is happening in every secular state, Europe, North America, even secular Jews in Israel are dying out. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (replacing the Godless secular societies). 

How the hell does "White = American".

If a hispanic or muslim family has been here 4-5 generations that doesn't count as "american" to you?

 

So that’s your informed answer. In 1980 White people made up 80 percent of the population of America. Now they are at 50%.  The cause of the trend has not changed. Whites will continue to decline. Did you know that a country is named by its population? The name America came from an Italian. There are forces at work to become bi-lingual. It is all part of a rapidly dying country.

 I guess that’s okay with you if you like genocide. Isn’t that what the Nazi’s did to the Jews in Germany, reduced the population of Jews. So what percentage is okay with you 5, 25, 0? Please tell us? Would you care so little if it was a population of dolphins, or any other race?

 

 

America is Italian.

Yet when America first started there were almost no Italins in America.  The population mostly consisting of Germans and English.  So.... come again?

Aso, genocide...?   Like... i'm just going to assume your not serious here... that you consider it Genocide that white people are smart enough to not want children because children are a pain in the ass.

Genocide is what it is called when an entire people are wiped off the face of the earth. I don't expect you to understand such simple definitions.

Children are the future of a society. No children no future. Death. The end. I guess we know what your recommendation is, extinction!



SamuelRSmith on 22 May 2012
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.

For a so claimed "expert" you have no idea what you're talking about. Birth rates are almost exclusivly to do with economic prosperity.

The children of immigrants have far fewer children than their parents.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/rb/RB_402LHRB.pdf

The data is clear. The fertility rate  for all non-white populations drops below the 2.0 mark by the 2nd generation.



TheProphet on 22 May 2012
SamuelRSmith said:
TheProphet said:
Gay rights only surface in dying societies. America has a birthrate below replacement, less children than parents. That is why immigration is so high now. The American family is fatally ill. You know, a 50 percent divorce rate, abortion, pornography. That is the state of the American family. Gay marriage is never an issue when the family is considered the lnucleus of society. What is happening in America is happening in all the godless European societies too. It is not happening in societies that are strictly religious, like Muslims, devote Jews and Christians; only Godless secular societies. America is dying, not with a bang, but a whimper.

For a so claimed "expert" you have no idea what you're talking about. Birth rates are almost exclusivly to do with economic prosperity.

The children of immigrants have far fewer children than their parents.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/rb/RB_402LHRB.pdf

The data is clear. The fertility rate  for all non-white populations drops below the 2.0 mark by the 2nd generation

 

It is you who have no idea of what you are talking about. This study only applies to America. Muslims in rich countries still have more than 5 children per family. The expert you quote does not have a clue. Fertiliity rate has notihing to do with income, but the structure of the family. Sure if immigrants adopt the dying secular American ways then obviously they will die out too. But it is not because of economic prosperity at all. Hasidic Jews have about seven children per family in Israel. Are you saying Hasidic Jews in Isreal are not prosperous? 

Are you saying it is okay for a society to die out because they are rich. Oh, we are all getting rich, therefore we will decrease in number until we are all gone. I am glad you said it because now we know what you stand for. I could never had uttered those words. 



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 22 May 2012
TheProphet said:
SamuelRSmith said:

For a so claimed "expert" you have no idea what you're talking about. Birth rates are almost exclusivly to do with economic prosperity.

The children of immigrants have far fewer children than their parents.

http://www.ppic.org/content/pubs/rb/RB_402LHRB.pdf

The data is clear. The fertility rate  for all non-white populations drops below the 2.0 mark by the 2nd generation

 

It is you who have no idea of what you are talking about. This study only applies to America. Muslims in rich countries still have more than 5 children per family. The expert you quote does not have a clue. Fertiliity rate has notihing to do with income, but the structure of the family. Sure if immigrants adopt the dying secular American ways then obviously they will die out too. But it is not because of economic prosperity at all. Hasidic Jews have about seven children per family in Israel. Are you saying Hasidic Jews in Isreal are not prosperous? 

Are you saying it is okay for a society to die out because they are rich. Oh, we are all getting rich, therefore we will decrease in number until we are all gone. I am glad you said it because now we know what you stand for. I could never had uttered those words. 

It is a fact that the world population is increasing rapidly every year, and through immigration we can make sure that the population keeps growing even in wealthy states. So, my question is: What is your problem? Nothing is dying out, unlike what you claim.