I never said it wasn't overtracked. I'm debating by how much. The 360-guy concensus is that it should be what 360 numbers are, and I don't think that's the case at all.

If I had said something like that no doubt you would of reported me...

But anyways so in your little mind you honestly think the ps3 right now has zero stock on shelves around the world? Because for the PS3 to not be over tracked that is what it means. You would not be able to find one anywhere. If you believe that then that shows you don't know what your talking about.

As for the pro 360 comment I find that laughable considering I use my PS3 and Vita more then my 360 or Wii. If I was anything I would be pro pc. Just because someone tries to stick up for a console on here doesn't make them pro that console. On this website there are far more Sony fans who change and bend the rules to try and make things look better for Sony then they really are. But when it comes to the other consoles those rules are magically ignored, no excuses are found for their numbers.

For example this thailand flood and tsnuami thing. How long will this get used? If people did some research into it they would see many other companies were hit by it too but are now working fine again. I suggest reading what happened to Westerne Digital and their factories as they were under 10 feet of water. They had buildings destroyed. But yet they got some of their factories back running after a month. The same goes for Honda who were probably hit the hardest. After 6 months they were fully back to normal. They estimate they lost production of 260,000 cars because of it. So the fact some people think Sony who was not hit anywhere near as hard as Honda couldn't be back to normal by now or even in the past 3 months seems silly to me.

Without people like me people like you would be able to ignore all the facts and simply make up your own results. The way this website is going that seems to be the way it is. A few of us said vgc numbers looked out last year when they said ps3 had won 2011. But we were laughed at, but now what we said looks right. We said PS3 numbers look too high and 360 numbers looked low before the recent changes and again we were laughed at. With the adjustments the 360 had an increase but so did the ps3, we said that was wrong. Again these numbers prove what we said was right. Without people like that vgc would listen more to what you people say and just keep bumping the ps3 numbers, if they want realistic numbers they need to stop listening to people like you.

Now the PS3 is 100% overtracked the question is by how much? To go back to what I said before about how it is one rule for Sony and a different one for everyone else if that was Microsoft the usual people would say at bare minimum 1m-1.5m of 360's on shelves. But with Sony and the PS3 it is ok for it to have 400k to 500k on shelves. That seems acceptable. But if you look at the facts there isn't much to back that up. Look at Sony's previous shipments, look at it's month over month sales, look at the price cuts and so on. There is no indication there at all to suggest PS3 demand is as high as they imply, and if there was would they really have less then 500k on shelves worldwide?

There was a time when official numbers on here were seen as the most important thing to judge how something is doing. But over the past year on this website it seems to have changed. If we go on official numbers given by official companies from their last report we see 360 is at 67.2m (up to 31st of march) so even after 40 days since that report and those numbers given vgc has the 360 at 66.5m  which is a 700k difference which doesn't take into account the shipments that would of been sent out in the past 40 days. So if they sent out 1.4m over the previous 3 months thats an average of 466k a month. So if we apply that to vgc numbers would indicate at minimum of 1.16m sitting on shelves right now.

Sony on the other hand have just given us their numbers of ltd and that is 63.9m. Seeing as vgc has it at 64.1 that means a difference of just 200k. So while it is okay for the 360 to have 1.2m+ pretty much on shelves it isn't okay to say PS3 has 1.2m sitting on shelves?

As I said one rule for one, and a different rule for the other. If it is okay for Sony to have such little stock on shelves why is it not okay for 360 to have as little stock on shelves?

The 1.2m reported during the western launch were sold to customers I believe. Boasting about shipped (sold to retailers) numbers for launch makes no sense.

1.8m reported now is sold to retailers.

Edit: WOW if thats the case it's quite probable that the vita has yet to sell through the initial western shipment! 1.8M(minus Japan) WAS THE VITA'S LAUNCH SHIPMENT FIGURE!??!

How do you know?

The money your paying is partially going to pay for that console but as long as your paying the $15 a month you can do whatever you want with the console and your XBL account. XBL accounts can be on any Microsoft console you want.

Stops smoking crack, it's not big and certainly not clever!

Apologies if I've jumped to the wrong conclusion but that's pretty much the only statement that can be made for someone who think there is more ms fans on this site than Sony posting about sales.  You're nuts.

OT - The PS3 is overtracked, anyone remotely unbiased as said so for the last 3 months.  Sony fans whinging about channel stuffing sound like the pro MS nutters who said the same about the PS3 after the 2009 pricecut.  Get over it, estimates are estimates and change all the time, sometimes they support a stance you've been arguing other times they harpoon your argument.

Now now, that's just going way too much into detail, so you're saying that MS is currently sitting on about ~1M xbox's in their warehouses because they purposely overshipped just to appear better in their financial results? Don't you think that's a bit far fetched? After all this is a company that was not prepared to sacrifice profits for the last 3 years and didn't bother announcing an official price cut, if anyone Sony would be capable of doing something like that, with the numerous price cuts and increased marketing effort that has been happening the last few years, pushing much harder in an attempt to achieve higher shipments than the competition. It's a far fetched theory that unfortunately doesn't hold much weight as it would be out of character.

Amazon pricematched them I believe, in UK sainsbury's, tesco, morrison's etc often have sales on PS3 too, about £159 - like £30 or so under RRP.