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Kantor on 09 May 2012
mrstickball said:
Kantor said:
Really, three party nominees are set.

I think Gary Johnson is a great deal more intelligent and capable as a leader than Obama and Romney combined. I certainly hope he makes it to the debates. Was Ross Perot included in 1992?

Yes, Ross was. He did great in the debates.

Here's one of the full hour and a half debates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_cXN9O9ds

It is ridiculous how similar Obama sounds to Clinton in that debate.



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SamuelRSmith on 09 May 2012
Kantor said:
mrstickball said:
Kantor said:
Really, three party nominees are set.

I think Gary Johnson is a great deal more intelligent and capable as a leader than Obama and Romney combined. I certainly hope he makes it to the debates. Was Ross Perot included in 1992?

Yes, Ross was. He did great in the debates.

Here's one of the full hour and a half debates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_cXN9O9ds

It is ridiculous how similar Obama sounds to Clinton in that debate.


It's ridiculous how similar everyone is to everyone in all debates.



SamuelRSmith on 09 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
The fact that Perot did so well makes it less likely that they'd include him in the debates.

/tinfoil hat off.

Ron Paul third party run? Some kind of joint ticket with Johnson? Your views?

Not really a tinfoil hat moment.  Afterall he did really well in the first debate in 1992. (kinda sucked in the rest)   Then was excluded from the debates in 1996.

Usually blamed on Clinton.

He was quite the intriguing mishmash of policies.

On the one hand he wanted to balance the budget,end oursourcing and was for protectionism, for gun control, Pro Choice

On the other he wanted to expand the war on drugs, wanted a flat tax.


Well, a flat tax can bring in more money, thus helping balance the budget.

The tinfoil hat moment I meant, seeing as how well Perot did in 92, it's less likely the media would give a third party candidate the same level of exposure today. It will be physically impossible for Johnson to get as high in the polls, because the media will only just about acknowledge that he exists... maybe.

You'd be surprised at the number of people who think Ron Paul dropped out. The media really creates their own reality.



Kasz216 on 09 May 2012
Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
SamuelRSmith said:
The fact that Perot did so well makes it less likely that they'd include him in the debates.

/tinfoil hat off.

Ron Paul third party run? Some kind of joint ticket with Johnson? Your views?

Not really a tinfoil hat moment.  Afterall he did really well in the first debate in 1992. (kinda sucked in the rest)   Then was excluded from the debates in 1996.

Usually blamed on Clinton.

He was quite the intriguing mishmash of policies.

On the one hand he wanted to balance the budget,end oursourcing and was for protectionism, for gun control, Pro Choice

On the other he wanted to expand the war on drugs, wanted a flat tax.

Almost sounds like my kind of guy (with certain preconditions i'll accept the flat tax) barring the protectionism thing.

Wonder why he drew more from the Right as he did?

It's more like "The right stuck with him./Everyone was mad at Bush."

Originally he had more Democratic apporval then Republican approval.

When he was laeding the polls it was Perot 39%, Bush 31, Clinton 25.

Ended up Clinton 43%, Bush 37%, Perot 19%.

Assuming Bush and Clinton didn't take any of each others supporters (not likely, but for the sake of arguement.)

That means Clinton got 18% from Perot... with Bush only getting 6%.


When perot dropped out and killed his poll numbers Clinton saw a huge boost.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/07/18/us/the-1992-campaign-overview-poll-gives-clinton-a-post-perot-post-convention-boost.html

Had he not dropped out.  He had a good chance of winning.  Dropping out because according to him Republicans were blackmailing him with photos of his daughter.  Apparently this may or may not have been true/a ploy by a specific bush supporter.

 

It's sort of what a McCain/Obama election would of looked like had a more "perceived" moderate democrat come out.  Or honestly, this election.  The Obama election team has been a mess.

I mean... basically throwing yourself away from gay marraige 2 days ago, only to support it today?  Guess somebody got the memo that most americans are pro gay marriage and got some other quick poll numbers.

That combined with throwing every insult at romney no matter how cluttered and contradicting they are.... it's desperate.  His only saving grace is that Romney is a weak Kerry like opponent.