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Viper1 on 03 May 2012
noname2200 said:
Viper1 said:

Let's start with the Wii U being capable of multiple user accounts.

"Also for the Wii U, we are planning to introduce a personal account system compatible with Nintendo Network. With this, for example, the ease of using a video game system when the hardware is shared by multiple family members...."

So you have your multiple user accounts per console right there.  Now as I mentioned before, would it make sense to have multiple user accounts per console and then still tie the software to the hardware?  

Further, when you buy a game from the eShop, do you think the eShop will reconize the console or the user account?      Let's not forget that Nintendo is linking the eShop with your Club Nintendo account.  They do this on 3DS already but as we know, that's tied to a console because it only has 1 account.  When they link it to the Wii U, it will have to be tied to individual user accounts.  And lastly, Nintendo plans to take the eShop to the PC.  How do you think it will be linked?   User accounts, not a console.

So I don't even need Iwata to say it specifically because the inferences, the circumstances of the network and their plans plus some deductive reasoning make itvery clear which way it's going to go.

I have to side with kitler on this one. You're pointing to facts that indicate that it's technically possible. "Probable," even. But still not "confirmed."

No biggie. We'll learn for certain soon enough, I'm sure.

So you are telling me that when you download a game from Nintnedo Network that it won't be tied to your user account?   Please explain to me what the point of having a user account would be if your account isn't tied to the online store?  

Even your 3DS downloads are now tied your Club Nintendo account.   Are you guys really expecting them to take a step backwards from the 3DS while simultaneously moving forward by having multiple accounts per console?

What kind of sense does that even make?   "We're going to give you user accounts and full digital retail downloads but your accoutns won't tie into the eShop".   That's what you guys are sayign is probable.

Did you guys miss the part when I said you'll be able to access the eShop on your PC.  Please tell me how they will allow that without a user account. 



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Sal.Paradise on 03 May 2012
kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:
kitler53 said:
Viper1 said:

So I'll ask you again, do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?

It's not wishful thinking, it's not what I want to hear, it's obvious logic based on what has already been stated.  

Your "Wii can do 1080p" analogy doesn't fit.   Becuase there is not logical basis to translate "Wii can do 1080p" to mean that every game will run at 1080p.   What I'm explaining to you is soundly logical.   You're also missing that major media outlets agree with me but NONE of the major media outlets ever said all Wii U games will run at 1080p...only fanboys or those with limited understanding of video game and computer hardware would make such a claim.    So don't equate what I, and other media people (yes, I'm in the media), are telling you based on logic with fanboy supposition.

So I'll bring it back to my staement above.  Do you honestly think they'll give the Wii U multiple user accounts and yet still tie the software to the hardware instead of the user accounts?


true fact - ps3 supports mulitple user accounts and yet still ties the software to the hardware.   still confident that your logical conclusion is sound?  i'm not, i'll wait to see what nintendo actually announces before jumping to conclusions.

Is that what you mean by tied to the hardware?  Game saves are tied to hardware, not software.  You've completely missed what everybody asking about tied to hardware or user account means. 

 

One more fact to throw out there.  Notice how they expicitly stated that 3DS games would be tied to the hardware because it would have a single user account?   Why then didn't they say the same thign regarding the Wii U and the multiple user accounts?


I'm not sure what to make of your question.  when i purchase a game on psn i can download it to my ps3 and the game is tied to the specific ps3 i download it to.  if the ps3 breaks or whatever i lose that license.  now sony makes it someone okay-ish by giving me 3 licenses (so up to 3 machines) but it is still tied to the machine.  if i have have bad luck and break 3 ps3's - poof - my game purchase is unavailible for me to play on my 4th ps3.  my only option to get around this machine locking is to use the ps3 to ps3 transfer.   this allows me to move all of the licenses from machine A to B deleting all files on A after the move.

so no, i'm not talking about game saves.

Just so you know, you can 'deactivate' that software on a particular PS3, so your games will never be 'lost' to discarded hardware. I'm not sure what the procedure is because I've never done it myself. 



noname2200 on 03 May 2012
Viper1 said:

So you are telling me that when you download a game from Nintnedo Network that it won't be tied to your user account?   Please explain to me what the point of having a user account would be if your account isn't tied to the online store?  

Even your 3DS downloads are now tied your Club Nintendo account.   Are you guys really expecting them to take a step backwards from the 3DS while simultaneously moving forward by having multiple accounts per console?

What kind of sense does that even make?   "We're going to give you user accounts and full digital retail downloads but your accoutns won't tie into the eShop".   That's what you guys are sayign is probable.

Did you guys miss the part when I said you'll be able to access the eShop on your PC.  Please tell me how they will allow that without a user account. 

Define "confirmed" for me, please.



Viper1 on 03 May 2012
noname2200 said:
Viper1 said:

So you are telling me that when you download a game from Nintnedo Network that it won't be tied to your user account?   Please explain to me what the point of having a user account would be if your account isn't tied to the online store?  

Even your 3DS downloads are now tied your Club Nintendo account.   Are you guys really expecting them to take a step backwards from the 3DS while simultaneously moving forward by having multiple accounts per console?

What kind of sense does that even make?   "We're going to give you user accounts and full digital retail downloads but your accoutns won't tie into the eShop".   That's what you guys are sayign is probable.

Did you guys miss the part when I said you'll be able to access the eShop on your PC.  Please tell me how they will allow that without a user account. 

Define "confirmed" for me, please.

Answer my questions first.  No one seems to want to answer my questions.  Specifcially my last one.  

How will you access the eShop on a PC to buy a game unless you have a user account to tie the game to?  How?   Enter your console's MAC address?



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noname2200 on 03 May 2012
Viper1 said:
noname2200 said:
Viper1 said:

So you are telling me that when you download a game from Nintnedo Network that it won't be tied to your user account?   Please explain to me what the point of having a user account would be if your account isn't tied to the online store?  

Even your 3DS downloads are now tied your Club Nintendo account.   Are you guys really expecting them to take a step backwards from the 3DS while simultaneously moving forward by having multiple accounts per console?

What kind of sense does that even make?   "We're going to give you user accounts and full digital retail downloads but your accoutns won't tie into the eShop".   That's what you guys are sayign is probable.

Did you guys miss the part when I said you'll be able to access the eShop on your PC.  Please tell me how they will allow that without a user account. 

Define "confirmed" for me, please.

Answer my questions first.  No one seems to want to answer my questions.  Specifcially my last one.  

How will you access the eShop on a PC to buy a game unless you have a user account to tie the game to?  How?   Enter your console's MAC address?

No one wants to answer because it is irrelevant. The very fact that you have to combine a bunch of different facts, draw connections between them, and then consult the chicken bones for an answer, rather than point to a statement from an official source means that it is not, in fact, "confirmed."

End of discussion, really.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII on 03 May 2012

Hmm... Seems to me like VGChartz will be heavily inaccurate (especially at launch weeks) now that the digital sales will be this widespread.


Viper1 on 03 May 2012
noname2200 said:
Viper1 said:

Answer my questions first.  No one seems to want to answer my questions.  Specifcially my last one.  

How will you access the eShop on a PC to buy a game unless you have a user account to tie the game to?  How?   Enter your console's MAC address?

No one wants to answer because it is irrelevant. The very fact that you have to combine a bunch of different facts, draw connections between them, and then consult the chicken bones for an answer, rather than point to a statement from an official source means that it is not, in fact, "confirmed."

End of discussion, really.

So you don't have an answer then?

I mean other than the obvious answer which is that it will be tied to an account.  I assure though, my deductive reasoning didn't require animal bones of any sort, fowl or otherwise.  Rather, the simple logic that to guy a game on a seperate device would require a method of identifying the owner and the target machine.  Considering they will have user accounts, I think I can be pretty damn sure that will be the method used to identify you with.  Because other than that, you'd need something like your consoles MAC address which, aside from wholly defeating the purpose of having multiple user accounts per console, would be a step backwards already from the 3DS which runs on the same netowrk Wii U does.

I seriously don't see the difficulty in understanding this.    I have to assume you guys use deductive reasoning every single day but you're smaking me econd guessing my faith at the moment.   You guys don't need Iwata to tell you that C comes after B which comes after A.



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noname2200 on 03 May 2012

As you wish. Go around calling an educated guess "confirmed" if you like, I don't really care. Just make sure to bookmark the posts you've made so far, because I suspect you'll be copy-pasting them a lot until it's actually confirmed/not.



Viper1 on 03 May 2012
noname2200 said:
As you wish. Go around calling an educated guess "confirmed" if you like, I don't really care. Just make sure to bookmark the posts you've made so far, because I suspect you'll be copy-pasting them a lot until it's actually confirmed/not.

Can you answer my question though?



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noname2200 on 03 May 2012

*sigh*

Apropos of nothing, I have a headache all of a sudden. No idea why I'm bringing it up here.

If all you're asking for is how that would be possible on a technical level, a half second of thinking about it says "download codes," which is how you get games from Club Nintendo, are going to get them from retail, how I assume reviewers get them ahead of time, blablabla.

But of course, that's not why you're asking, so go ahead and make your point. All I ask if that you afterwards think about whether words have an actual meaning and, if so, what "confirmed" means.