So you're saying that it was about just pricepoint?  Is that why the PS3 failed or did a horrible launch lineup play a factor as well?

I actually agree that people didn't want to upgrade to a 3DS becuase of the stereoscopic 3D.  I argue that most people don't want to upgrade to the Wii U because of a super expensive super controller. 

The strategy mentioned in OP and the gameplan for the 3DS, despite being similar, are not identical. It's in the differences that the failure happened.

Nintendo never priced a handheld at 250$ as far as I remember. It was 200$ max. So already it was marked up. The question is why? Due to the strategy in OP? I believe not. Matter of fact, I believe it was overpriced due to overhead features not of interest to the target audience.

What happened then, would the 3DS have reached audiences at a 200$ pricepoint then? Okay, here is where the strategy in OP comes into play. You could argue (as I've said before) that had 2D Mario released within launch window, that much of the demand would have pent up and it would've been a success at the 200$ pricepoint. Okay.

Now tell me how that contradicts with a home console priced at 300$ with NSMBU at launch, as well as catch U and WiiU sports?

I fail to see the concern.

Pie, I understand that. I said that to Rol, and so if I wrote it I understand that casual =/= crap. Shovelware == crap.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4547314 (for reference)

So, what are your arguments I skipped, I fail to recall them.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4547287

Wow, I sure stand corrected Pie.

Oh, so my argument that it was first released on the SNES doesn't matter at all then?

I didn't realized we judged a game's casualness by its appeal to everyone. Wow, and what do you know everyone may or may not include skilled gamers. Color me surprised.

Well, I'll let you pass on this one. But in my book, games that appeal to both skilled games and the masses in general I like to call casual + core games. But that's just me aye?

I like to call them Casual because they appeal to all audiences. 

Your tone is increasingly sarcastic, I'm dropping out of this conversation before you become angry.

We have to restress that part of that is due to currency issues. Even in the Japanese bubble of the 1980s, the Yen was still weak against the dollar.

Not that it excuses their strategy.

I don't know what to say.

You caught me. So what then, how was Nintendo to avoid falling into that predicament? What are you suggesting at this point?

Why stir the pot when the stew is 3 years old...

What I'm trying to praise is a strategy that takes into account the failings of the 3DS software starvation and promises an evergreen launch lineup. What is the issue with all this?

You're judging the strategy based on track record, it's no wonder we can't agree. I'm judging it off of what it is, despite the past.

So who is right, the one who judges based on the past, or the one who judges at face value?

(You only use track record when you don't have a strategy to analyse and you have to do guesswork. At this point, almost all the elements are in play, all we have to do is wait. Judging the strategy at face value, now that we have and know it, is the way to go. Using track record is now obsolete in the debate, we now know where they are going, we no longer need to guess)

No, I don't believe it for the Vita because Sony's track record shows that they don't stay true to their strategies and promises. The same is not true for Nintendo. I have every reason to believe that everything we've been expecting for Wii U will be delivered.

Nintendo is faithful to: 2D Mario this year

Letting 3rd parties get some of their alone time with the 3DS.

Improving their online framework (Nintendo Network is already being deployed).

Meeting their sales expectations at all cost, even absorb a loss if needed. Momentum is key, they stayed true to that line of thinking.

More core offerings in parallel with casual offerings for gen 8. Track record:  We had pilotwings resort, Monster Hunter, Mario 3D, Nintendogs, and more. Even if the release volume wasn't high, the promise was still met.

There are only a very small number of things Nintendo promised that I didn't get yet, and one of those is 3D video sharing. I haven't been able to enjoy that on my 3DS to be honest with you.

There must be others, but in my mind, Nintendo does follow its projections, despite failings in areas that are hard to predict for certain. As far as it's up to them, they have been faithful, but what's in heaven's hands, well, it's in heaven's hands.

So, what now Mr. Rol?

There are things that Nintendo could control, some that they could not control. They sought to offer their audience a new experience and gain and edge in the industry with stereoscopic 3D capabilities, in so doing, they lost due to business failure of the idea. It really  isn't all that complicated. It's above and beyond their control, but in your eyes, using 20/20 hindsight as always, you judge them for their business acumen and risk-taking... That is what I consider intellectually dishonest personally.

In business, you take risks. This was by no means a fool's risk, it had a purpose. It failed, shit happens. Water under the bridge.

I find it intellectually dishonest of you to use MY tastes in games to judge the sales power of a software title. If find that very hypocritical of you personally, and this is very sincere.

The sales power of NSMB as a brand, as a flavor, has nothing to do with my perception of the game as a gamer. The fact that you can't make that dychotomy makes me think you're either dishonest, or just don't care enough to think that far...

Another failed business risk. They tried it, it failed. Lesson learnt, shit happens, water under the bridge. Despite the failure of the idea, they were true to their plan and stuck to it. They mitigated it once it proved its failure. This has yet to contradict my faith in their OP strategy.

So I've already broken this argument. Goes to show really how much you know about me.