Nintendo has never failed hw/sw wise. (except for VBoy)

@kung
I said offer rebuttal that mario on nes didnt come out amid a gaming wasteland.
But since youd prefer a different point, lets take a look at those games.
you do realize that those games are contributors to marios poor sales?
Accept it. People wanted and found something different.
again i will bring up supermario world 2 aka yoshis island, which didnt stay flat. Sales fell! Explain that away. Or do you think mario should be exactly the same formula everytime?
Theres only so much they can change before it stagnates and stagnating it was!

Take this lesson from kung nintendo. Make the exact same game over and over and you will be fine.

"Malstrom is pretty much right. He explains Nintendo is giving consumers what the consumer wants with the Wii and that they are telling them what they should want with the 3DS and the Wii U. The new strategy is flawed."

I think its pretty much all the way round
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They created a new artificial market thats no longer expandable, actually its going down, 3DS and WiiU is what oldschool gamers want, but the market is smaller so less sales lead to noobs like you talking shit about them.

Malstrom is pretty much an asshole, he believes he could run Nintendo better than Nintendo themselves.......haha
hes just a fool

I see it mostly the same way you do prof. I see Kung's idea, but it's all very hypothetical and based on applying current-day business phenomena to two gens past.

It's at worst wishful thinking, at best a plausible alternate history. But I am not fully convinced myself. The red ocean was much more easy to secure, yet Nintendo failed. Had they not, 3D mario would not have been nutured before coming of age. My 2 cents.

So the market can't expand anymore?  So why try at all? 

Please explain it all to this noob that knows nothing.

I agree with the latest from iwata. They were simply not prepared with 3ds.

By this line of thought the PS3 and Xbox360s were both failures as well, since they did not go as initially planned.

What he means is expectation. It didn't go as Nintendo expected, in terms of marketshare, in terms of brand power, in terms of sales.

So, yes, with that in mind, the PS3 is most certainly a failure.

The 360 is a resounding success.

That was possibly their aim but I'd be hard pressed to find that that was their expectation. If so, they must be retarded.

For normal people with reasonable expectations, the 360 went from market newbie at 25M units sold to a whopping 65M sold and the gen's not even over, leading the HD race over last gen's King, it was an undeniable success.

So why are you debating this anyways?

First of all I'd like a link. Second of all, this is completely unimportant in the big picture.

The point of my post was to show that what matters are the expectations when judging success. Whether my examples were correct or not is really missing the heart of the dialogue.

But that doesn't surprise me, since your motive isn't greater understanding, but bash the dolphin.