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theprof00 said:
badgenome said:

How dare you sully theprof's beautiful word picture with your meaningless reality? Are you some kind of Republican or something? Who cares if every government-run green energy scheme has been a massive bust, or that countries are abandoning the Kyoto Protocol left and right?  IF WE ALL JUST BELIEVE, MAN...

source?

http://www.google.com/



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Except you know... it clearly isn't correct.

The key word there is "Way things are normally estimated".

In general the "way things are normally estimated" are done so at face value without any actual digging into effects.

It's like how the GAO reports that by the way it's traditionally reported the New Healthcare law will save money, though they admit it's really unlikely most if any of those savings will actually reach fruition.

 

Nice though you went from "specific failure" to "not a failure" in zero time flat though.

 

Worth noting... even the socialist government thinks it's green jobs plan has been disasterous for their economy.  In otherwords, your buying into propaganda.



Kasz216 said:
Except you know... it clearly isn't correct.

The key word there is "Way things are normally estimated".

In general the "way things are normally estimated" are done so at face value without any actual digging into effects.

It's like how the GAO reports that by the way it's traditionally reported the New Healthcare law will save money, though they admit it's really unlikely most if any of those savings will actually reach fruition.

Oh, right, the conspiracy angle. How could I forget?

Let's not forget that the "researchers" themselves note limitations in their own conclusions and that very small discrepancies could result in major differences in their numbers.

Or how it isn't peer reviewed. Or..wait, do I need to continue?



badgenome said:
theprof00 said:
badgenome said:

How dare you sully theprof's beautiful word picture with your meaningless reality? Are you some kind of Republican or something? Who cares if every government-run green energy scheme has been a massive bust, or that countries are abandoning the Kyoto Protocol left and right?  IF WE ALL JUST BELIEVE, MAN...

source?

http://www.google.com/

haha so funny I forgot to notice you're just talking shit.



theprof00 said:
badgenome said:
theprof00 said:
badgenome said:

How dare you sully theprof's beautiful word picture with your meaningless reality? Are you some kind of Republican or something? Who cares if every government-run green energy scheme has been a massive bust, or that countries are abandoning the Kyoto Protocol left and right?  IF WE ALL JUST BELIEVE, MAN...

source?

http://www.google.com/

haha so funny I forgot to notice you're just talking shit.

Was I supposed to give a serious reponse to that when your output consists entirely of vacilating between constructing titanic strawmen, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of promoting conspiracism, and jerking off to how we'd fuck China up the ass with our purple mountains majesty and fruited plains if only it wasn't for RepubliKKKan motherfuckers? If you don't want to be mocked, try writing less risible posts.



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badgenome said:

Was I supposed to give a serious reponse to that when your output consists entirely of vacilating between constructing titanic strawmen, accusing everyone who disagrees with you of promoting conspiracism, and jerking off to how we'd fuck China up the ass with our purple mountains majesty and fruited plains if only it wasn't for RepubliKKKan motherfuckers? If you don't want to be mocked, try writing less risible posts.

still waiting for that source.



theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
Except you know... it clearly isn't correct.

The key word there is "Way things are normally estimated".

In general the "way things are normally estimated" are done so at face value without any actual digging into effects.

It's like how the GAO reports that by the way it's traditionally reported the New Healthcare law will save money, though they admit it's really unlikely most if any of those savings will actually reach fruition.

Oh, right, the conspiracy angle. How could I forget?

Let's not forget that the "researchers" themselves note limitations in their own conclusions and that very small discrepancies could result in major differences in their numbers.

Or how it isn't peer reviewed. Or..wait, do I need to continue?

I would note that the Spanish Socialist government who implemented the changes are blaming the green jobs for their economic problems.  It's literally nobody but the far left who is supporting what you say.  Looking for a better link because while this was a big story, the biggest google results are probably unsurprisingly from more rightwing leaning sources... and honestly it's hard to find since Spain had all kinds of green job initatives, and well... they've all failed pretty hard.

Ironically... your the conspiracy theorist.



Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
Except you know... it clearly isn't correct.

The key word there is "Way things are normally estimated".

In general the "way things are normally estimated" are done so at face value without any actual digging into effects.

It's like how the GAO reports that by the way it's traditionally reported the New Healthcare law will save money, though they admit it's really unlikely most if any of those savings will actually reach fruition.

Oh, right, the conspiracy angle. How could I forget?

Let's not forget that the "researchers" themselves note limitations in their own conclusions and that very small discrepancies could result in major differences in their numbers.

Or how it isn't peer reviewed. Or..wait, do I need to continue?

I would note that the Spanish Socialist government who implemented the changes are blaming the green jobs for their economic problems.  It's literally nobody but the far left who is supporting what you say.  Looking for a better link because while this was a big story, the biggest google results are probably unsurprisingly from more rightwing leaning sources... and honestly it's hard to find since Spain had all kinds of green job initatives, and well... they've all failed pretty hard.

 

ah conspiracy angle again. So easy to fall back to...and yet no other studies back it up. But that's just coincidental isn't it...or maybe more conspiracy?

OK, that angle isn't working, source the other things you're saying, show me "they've all failed pretty hard". Go.



Good video, but it is one sided. The regulations he was speaking of remind me of the way the Government was from this one book I read called Among the Hidden. These laws and such get very out of control and it would most likely turn into that type of Government.



theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
Except you know... it clearly isn't correct.

The key word there is "Way things are normally estimated".

In general the "way things are normally estimated" are done so at face value without any actual digging into effects.

It's like how the GAO reports that by the way it's traditionally reported the New Healthcare law will save money, though they admit it's really unlikely most if any of those savings will actually reach fruition.

Oh, right, the conspiracy angle. How could I forget?

Let's not forget that the "researchers" themselves note limitations in their own conclusions and that very small discrepancies could result in major differences in their numbers.

Or how it isn't peer reviewed. Or..wait, do I need to continue?

I would note that the Spanish Socialist government who implemented the changes are blaming the green jobs for their economic problems.  It's literally nobody but the far left who is supporting what you say.  Looking for a better link because while this was a big story, the biggest google results are probably unsurprisingly from more rightwing leaning sources... and honestly it's hard to find since Spain had all kinds of green job initatives, and well... they've all failed pretty hard.

 

ah conspiracy angle again. So easy to fall back to...and yet no other studies back it up. But that's just coincidental isn't it...or maybe more conspiracy?

OK, that angle isn't working, source the other things you're saying, show me "they've all failed pretty hard". Go.

Dude, your the conspiracy theorist.  The studies back it up costing jobs... and both sides of government admit it to be so, and that it was a failure.

So uh... hwow is that a conspiracy?

Instead your backing one pro green jobs propganda study...

The limitations in the King Carlos study was how job losses could be BIGGER.  Not smaller...

 

The premiums paid for solar, biomass, wave and wind power - - which are charged to consumers in their bills -- translated into a $774,000 cost for each Spanish “green job” created since 2000, said Gabriel Calzada, an economics professor at the university and author of the report.

“The loss of jobs could be greater if you account for the amount of lost industry that moves out of the country due to higher energy prices,” he said in an interview.

Spain’s Acerinox SA, the nation’s largest stainless-steel producer, blamed domestic energy costs for deciding to expand in South Africa and the U.S., according to the study.

 

The study limitations HURT your case, not help it.