dharh said:
So mabye I should remove strike two. |
Gears of War is a 3rd party game
I always thought Inafune was kinda crazy, but now that I actually sat and read this article ... this man is passionate. And he actually opened my eyes to something. I am a fan of Japanese games, but only the old ones. I really do hate most of the new stuff that comes out of Japan.
I never thought of it that way.
I am the black sheep 
"of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson
bonkers555 said:
Gears of War is a 3rd party game |
Hmm, yes. Published by MS, developed by Epic.
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| Panama said: Meh. Japanese games sell in Japan, and Western games sell in the West. Difference is in some instances Japanese games sell well in the West too but Western games never sell well in Japan. There is also a hell of a lot of bias from Western critics. Japanese review outlets at least have the common decency to score both Japanese and Western games well if they're deserving of it. I've read some Western critics on certain JRPGs that actually mock anime aesthetics and personally that's just pathetic, especially coming from individuals who should be deemed as professionals. The slump is all in developers' heads and the consumers' wallets that have been hit hard lately for obvious reasons. It's hard to take people claiming Japanese games have gone to shit when you see CoD and Fifa sell more and more each year despite literally adding the most miniscule of new features. If anything "gamer's" tastes have gone to shit. This isn't a JAPAN MAKES BEST GAMES GRORIOUS NIPPON argument, it's just fact. The way in which we Westerners buy CoD and other million sellers, Japan buys MH and DQ. Last thing I want to see is Japanese devs try to appeal to the West, and vice versa. That's when the real bad games will start flooding the shelves. We've already got some fine examples of this this gen. Japanese gamers don't care much for Western games yet we Westerners still look forward to countless Japanese games. Nintendo, Sony, Square, Capcom and many others are a testament to this. Not to mention smaller companies that localize and develop niche Japanese games such as XSEED, NIS , From Software and Atlus are only growing in popularity in the west. If I'm not mistaken Catherine is Atlus' best selling game to date in the West and yet their most recent. Also going off tangent, but it's hard to take Inafune seriously after Neptunia MkII. Perhaps it's a metaphor for the Japanese game industry, a complete joke, nice one Inafune. Just venting my spleen as usual. |
This trend will not last forever if japanese developers continue with the status quo. My favorite Japanese games are pretty much all OLD era, exactly like Inafune points out. Everything new is pretty much not as good as the old stuff. The Western market is huge compared to the Japanese market, like mind boglingly huge. Catering to one country is niche. Catering to a whole bunch of countries makes you a winner. As Inafune pointed out, its not about copying what western studios are doing and shovel out games. It's about working _with_ western studios, learning what best to do and making whole new games that could appeal to both japan and western countries.
The Wii, the complete winner in the japanese market, trampling everything else. Top 10, all 1st party games. Second 10, 8 1st party, 2 3rd party. Those first party? Sega and Namco. Third 10, 8 1st, 2 3rd. And that constitutes all the games that sold over half a million copies. It's all pitiful junk from there.
The PS3, the 2nd place by a fair showing. Can't even muster more than 2, 1 million sellers. Although it does have a good variety of 3rd vs 1st party in top 30, only the top 13 are over half a million copies.
Only in the handheld segement is there any saving grace for the japanese market. But, its not very cozy there either.
The facts are if you aren't Nintendo you probably aren't doing too well in the game software biz. If you are bucking the trend, chances are you've only done so with one or two good selling games, with the rest of your linup doing piss poor.
I don't want Japenese studios shoveling out 'western' games either. I want them to evolve and make new exciting games with _traditional_ controls. Which to be honest they have not done much of this whole last decade.
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It already has... Every developer has pretty much admitted to Japan slumping this gen. I wish they would stop being this dead horse and actually do something about it.
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| Panama said: Also going off tangent, but it's hard to take Inafune seriously after Neptunia MkII. Perhaps it's a metaphor for the Japanese game industry, a complete joke, nice one Inafune. |
I prefer to interpret it as Inafune being a complete joke. He has to actively ignore tons of talented Japanese developers like Marvelous Entetainment, Arc System Works, Atlus, FromSoftware, Grasshopper Manufacture, Neverland, Vanillaware, Platinum Games, and NIN-FREAKING-TENDO in order to make his strawman arguments work. It also doesn't help that the complaints he lobs against Japan are JUST as prevalent in the US, if not moreso. Grass is greener on the other side of the fence as they say
dharh said:
Hmm, yes. Published by MS, developed by Epic. |
And is not an FPS...
Anyway this part of the article nailed it for me:
It is an inarguable truth that Japan once occupied a position of dominance in the videogames space that it has now lost. In 2002, editors of the U.S. gaming enthusiast magazine Electronic Gaming Monthlypublished a list of the top 100 videogames of all time, 93 of which were from Japan. Such a skewed list today would be unimaginable. Besides Nintendo, it’s difficult to name a major Japanese publisher whose games still enjoy the cultural cachet or critical acclaim they did in their heyday.
| dharh said: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/04/keiji-inafune-qa/ I think I agree with Inafune on this one, despite the fact that I pretty much consider the X360 a peice of crap. The facts are Japan's gaming industry has hit a major slump both in terms of internal sales and in terms of external sales. Nintendo bucks the trend in some areas, but that is still not enough. Discuss. |
Japanese companies make up the top 7 in revenue out of the top 10................the US game industry continues to decline...................
Inafune is a dream for the media because they can count on him for hits. Notice how the guy said he loves japanese games and the inafune just ignored him.
Inafune is a hypocritical liar moron.
1) Idea factory is his favorite company which doesnt work with the west
2) His company doesnt work with the west and hes making a niche japanese rpg on the 3ds
| stealth20k said:
Inafune is a dream for the media because they can count on him for hits. Notice how the guy said he loves japanese games and the inafune just ignored him.
Inafune is a hypocritical liar moron.
1) Idea factory is his favorite company which doesnt work with the west 2) His company doesnt work with the west and hes making a niche japanese rpg on the 3ds |
You don't like his work fine. Yet all I see is decline in every japanese studio except Nintendo and maybe a smattering of others. Western (not just US bro) studios are in the upswing.
I for one would welcome _any_ additional RPG support on 3DS given how weak handheld RPG support has been this and last gen.
You sir reek of hate.
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Who said I didnt like his work?
"Yet all I see is decline in every japanese studio except Nintendo and maybe a smattering of others. Western (not just US bro) studios are in the upswing."
Is that why almost every western studio is going through layoffs? Is that why many are shutting down?
Is That why asian game companies are the only ones growing and brining in the most revenue and releasing the most original and diverse games?
That isnt opinion. Its fact. Dont speak out of turn
"I for one would welcome _any_ additional RPG support on 3DS given how weak handheld RPG support has been this and last gen. You sir reek of hate."
Are you stupid? This has been the greatest gen ever for handheld support, and the gba was damned incredible. You sir reek of ignorance
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