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Flow on 12 January 2008
OnlyIsrael said:
Flow said:
OnlyIsrael said:
kazadoom said:
What is funny is that you say Global warming is certain when there is absolutely no scientific proof of it whatsoever. I challenge anyone on here to give one substantial proof that the Earth is getting warmer, and further that humans are the cause of it. You all make me laugh. Global Warming, what a joke! You all probably believe in evolution as well. Better yet, get me a single fact to back that up while you are at it.

Here is a perfect example of what I was pointing out earlier.


Yet, you can't provide what he asked, can you?

If you can, there was a site that was giving $100,000 to any guy who could, i'll try to find the link...


Lets see, I could waste my free time tonight looking up primary sources in scholarly journals (which I have very little of because I'm pursing an advanced degree in the biological sciences and I basically live at school) to prove to someone that won't believe what has already been proven by other people. Or, I could enjoy myself by participating in a Video Game website.

Or, if it matters so much to him/you you could go get an education at a credible university in the hard sciences and not waste mine or anyone else’s time with links to internet sites that prove nothing other than someone has an opinion and they feel that having it makes their arguments valid.

I actively pursued and am pursuing an education in the sciences; please don't assume that we're somehow discussing this issue on a level playing field and that I in any way feel that you have presented any semblance of a valid argument. The burden of proof is in the hands of those opposing established scientific understanding (they've already had to prove their data), not the other way around.


 Here is a perfect example of what i knew would happen.

As cool48 said, i do think we are poluting too much, but earth won't stay at the same climate forever and it never did, and it would not stay in the same climate if we stop polluting or never polluted at all.




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segajon on 12 January 2008
Final-Fan said:
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:

@cool

So, you're saying that your personal beliefs can alter peer reviewed data obtained through the scientific method that has been scrutinized by hundreds of college educated experts on the topic?


Yes obviously, I am not a robot I will not believe some other people that claim that Global Warming is going to kill us and go against what I think is the truth.

If you're basing yourself on what these few scientists which are greatly magnified by the media on wether global warming is true than I suggest you do some research since many scientists admit that do not think global warming is true.

There was one example where some few hundred scientists had signed a paper declaring that global warming was in fact a problem. Now I don't have this example in text but I have read it somewhere's and if you want proof of it I could look it up. But anyways a person had analysed this list which as I said before a few hundred scientists had signed. He started by eliminating all the scientists that we're getting paid to promote global warming and then removed the ones that didn't have they're fully degree... I do not completely remeber what it was but anyways by the end he only had a few true scientists that had volunteerly signed the sheet. Saying that global warming was a problem.

But like I said before I do think we polute too much and I do believe we have to cut down on produced emitions.


I think the bolded portion tells us all we need to know about your reading comprehension skills, but just for fun I'll repeat an earlier post of mine: "There is no dispute in the mainstream scientific community that humans are affecting global climate and that the effect is higher temperature. "The only question is what the amount of warming will be, and how fast it will occur. "The current majority opinion is that the increase will be a small number of degrees but that even a small change in average global climate will have large, possibly severe, and regionally devastating consequences." There is no dispute in the mainstream scientific community that humans are affecting global climate and that the effect is higher temperature. There is no dispute in the mainstream scientific community that humans are affecting global climate and that the effect is higher temperature. There is no dispute in the mainstream scientific community that humans are affecting global climate and that the effect is higher temperature. There is no dispute in the mainstream scientific community that humans are affecting global climate and that the effect is higher temperature.
You guys are going to get corpulltunnel from writing so much.

 



Avinash_Tyagi on 12 January 2008
Flow said:
OnlyIsrael said:
Flow said:
OnlyIsrael said:
kazadoom said:
What is funny is that you say Global warming is certain when there is absolutely no scientific proof of it whatsoever. I challenge anyone on here to give one substantial proof that the Earth is getting warmer, and further that humans are the cause of it. You all make me laugh. Global Warming, what a joke! You all probably believe in evolution as well. Better yet, get me a single fact to back that up while you are at it.

Here is a perfect example of what I was pointing out earlier.


Yet, you can't provide what he asked, can you?

If you can, there was a site that was giving $100,000 to any guy who could, i'll try to find the link...


Lets see, I could waste my free time tonight looking up primary sources in scholarly journals (which I have very little of because I'm pursing an advanced degree in the biological sciences and I basically live at school) to prove to someone that won't believe what has already been proven by other people. Or, I could enjoy myself by participating in a Video Game website.

Or, if it matters so much to him/you you could go get an education at a credible university in the hard sciences and not waste mine or anyone else’s time with links to internet sites that prove nothing other than someone has an opinion and they feel that having it makes their arguments valid.

I actively pursued and am pursuing an education in the sciences; please don't assume that we're somehow discussing this issue on a level playing field and that I in any way feel that you have presented any semblance of a valid argument. The burden of proof is in the hands of those opposing established scientific understanding (they've already had to prove their data), not the other way around.


 Here is a perfect example of what i knew would happen.

As cool48 said, i do think we are poluting too much, but earth won't stay at the same climate forever and it never did, and it would not stay in the same climate if we stop polluting or never polluted at all.


 But you are fooling yourself if you think that our actions will not worsen or accelerate any climate shifts



 

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segajon on 12 January 2008

^^^^ I ment typing



cool48 on 12 January 2008
Final-Fan said:
 

There is no dispute in the mainstream scientific community that humans are affecting global climate and that the effect is higher temperature.

 That is where you are wrong:

http://www.kafalas.com/urbcol74.htm 

 

It's time we had more respect for science. Collect the data first, then draw the conclusions. In the case of global warming, the data just don't support the conclusion that the Earth's climate is changing in any significant way. The Science & Environmental Policy Project, which circulated a petition against the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, collected the signatures of 17,000 scientists to dispute the conventional wisdom on global warming. Now, I'm certainly not going to argue that the number of signatures, in and of itself, means much -- but what it does suggest is that global warming is not scientific Truth, even if it has become political Truth.



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OnlyIsrael on 12 January 2008
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:

@cool

So, you're saying that your personal beliefs can alter peer reviewed data obtained through the scientific method that has been scrutinized by hundreds of college educated experts on the topic?


Yes obviously, I am not a robot I will not believe some other people that claim that Global Warming is going to kill us and go against what I think is the truth.


I want to be absolutely clear on this so I don't and am not misunderstanding you. You assert that your pesonal beliefs on specific physical data has the ability to alter said data?

No I'm saying that my beliefs allow me to choose what I think is true and believe whichever data I want too.


 

I don't believe that we can engage in an honest discussion then. If you honestly believe that you can arbitrarily disregard data out of hand simply because you want to then we have no basis to dispute from because no matter what anyone shows you you can say you don't believe its “true” and ignore it.  So, we are at an impasse; nothing you don’t want to believe can be proven to you.

 



Final-Fan on 12 January 2008
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:

@cool

So, you're saying that your personal beliefs can alter peer reviewed data obtained through the scientific method that has been scrutinized by hundreds of college educated experts on the topic?


Yes obviously, I am not a robot I will not believe some other people that claim that Global Warming is going to kill us and go against what I think is the truth.


I want to be absolutely clear on this so I don't and am not misunderstanding you. You assert that your pesonal beliefs on specific physical data has the ability to alter said data?

No I'm saying that my beliefs allow me to choose what I think is true and believe whichever data I want too.

I don't think we're really disagreeing here just maybe not understanding eachother correctly, all I'm saying is that I won't believe everything that is said out there.

I am the first one to say that Wikipedia is not completely trustworthy, but check this out: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Statements_by_dissenting_organizations

"...no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate."

What about that data? 



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segajon on 12 January 2008

Hey OnlyIsrael, does it snow in Israel???!!!!



cool48 on 12 January 2008
OnlyIsrael said:
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:
cool48 said:
OnlyIsrael said:

@cool

So, you're saying that your personal beliefs can alter peer reviewed data obtained through the scientific method that has been scrutinized by hundreds of college educated experts on the topic?


Yes obviously, I am not a robot I will not believe some other people that claim that Global Warming is going to kill us and go against what I think is the truth.


I want to be absolutely clear on this so I don't and am not misunderstanding you. You assert that your pesonal beliefs on specific physical data has the ability to alter said data?

No I'm saying that my beliefs allow me to choose what I think is true and believe whichever data I want too.


 

I don't believe that we can engage in an honest discussion then. If you honestly believe that you can arbitrarily disregard data out of hand simply because you want to then we have no basis to dispute from because no matter what anyone shows you you can say you don't believe its “true” and ignore it. So, we are at an impasse; nothing you don’t want to believe can be proven to you.

 


You mean if 10 000 000 scientists would tell you that pigs can fly you would believe them???

The problem with people is that they listen to whatever they're told they're followers. The reason we we're able to invent stuff and not just act like animals is because wealways had the ability to think and come to our own conclusions.

I will not listen to scientists or Al Gore simply because of there title.  



Flow on 12 January 2008
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Flow said:
OnlyIsrael said:
Flow said:
OnlyIsrael said:
kazadoom said:
What is funny is that you say Global warming is certain when there is absolutely no scientific proof of it whatsoever. I challenge anyone on here to give one substantial proof that the Earth is getting warmer, and further that humans are the cause of it. You all make me laugh. Global Warming, what a joke! You all probably believe in evolution as well. Better yet, get me a single fact to back that up while you are at it.

Here is a perfect example of what I was pointing out earlier.


Yet, you can't provide what he asked, can you?

If you can, there was a site that was giving $100,000 to any guy who could, i'll try to find the link...


Lets see, I could waste my free time tonight looking up primary sources in scholarly journals (which I have very little of because I'm pursing an advanced degree in the biological sciences and I basically live at school) to prove to someone that won't believe what has already been proven by other people. Or, I could enjoy myself by participating in a Video Game website.

Or, if it matters so much to him/you you could go get an education at a credible university in the hard sciences and not waste mine or anyone else’s time with links to internet sites that prove nothing other than someone has an opinion and they feel that having it makes their arguments valid.

I actively pursued and am pursuing an education in the sciences; please don't assume that we're somehow discussing this issue on a level playing field and that I in any way feel that you have presented any semblance of a valid argument. The burden of proof is in the hands of those opposing established scientific understanding (they've already had to prove their data), not the other way around.


Here is a perfect example of what i knew would happen.

As cool48 said, i do think we are poluting too much, but earth won't stay at the same climate forever and it never did, and it would not stay in the same climate if we stop polluting or never polluted at all.


But you are fooling yourself if you think that our actions will not worsen or accelerate any climate shifts


I didn't said that, but i should have.

I do think that human actions have a little impact on this, but not as media says. They say it's all our fault with greenhouse this and pollution that, and make it looks like it will stop if we stop. I think we should and i do my part everytime i can but if we stop polluting will it make a change in climate? Or even if we did stop 10 years ago, you think it would not have snowed in baghdad in this fatidic day that would change vgchartz forever? I don't think so.

And by stop polluting i don't mean go back to medieval ages, but reduce emissions in a way that we can keep our life standards. 




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