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I hope it doesn't. Otherwise MS will get the idea that we (as a whole) like Windows 8 and we'll be forever stuck with this ugly excuse of an interface.

New features are fine, however, in my opinion, if this Metro abomination will stay mandatory in any way, shape or form on desktops and laptops, then this system will fail. Mostly due to internet backlash.

And yes, I've tested W8. Deleted VM with it after 15 minutes, I just couldn't stand looking at this new "start menu".

It looks decent on handheld devices with touchscreen, but it just doesn't make sense on 24" HD display. Big boxes cluttering entire display space don't look appealing when you can just have, you know , regular, small icons.



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selnor said:
disolitude said:
selnor said:
 



Im referring to PC windows 8.

 

You are saying-asking if windows 8 on desktop will improve Windows Phone marketshare. And I am asnwering, no it wont if that is the only change they make to Windows phone, and have suggested other things they need to do to fix WP lack of marketshare.

With that said I am getting Lumia 900 on Tuesday.

Damn you.  want  that phone.

Isnt that 12mp camera?

Very jealous.
 :)


It's 8mp. The 910 will have a 12mp. But the Pure will have 41mp..







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TheSwordUser said:

I hope it doesn't. Otherwise MS will get the idea that we (as a whole) like Windows 8 and we'll be forever stuck with this ugly excuse of an interface.

New features are fine, however, in my opinion, if this Metro abomination will stay mandatory in any way, shape or form on desktops and laptops, then this system will fail. Mostly due to internet backlash.

And yes, I've tested W8. Deleted VM with it after 15 minutes, I just couldn't stand looking at this new "start menu".

It looks decent on handheld devices with touchscreen, but it just doesn't make sense on 24" HD display. Big boxes cluttering entire display space doesn't look appealing when you can just have, you know , regular icons.

When I was a kid a lot of my friends had older brothers who kept saying the same things about Windows 3.1. It being an abomination... They were part of the DOS 4 Life crowd. And we see how that turned out.



pbroy said:
selnor said:
disolitude said:
selnor said:
 



Im referring to PC windows 8.

 

You are saying-asking if windows 8 on desktop will improve Windows Phone marketshare. And I am asnwering, no it wont if that is the only change they make to Windows phone, and have suggested other things they need to do to fix WP lack of marketshare.

With that said I am getting Lumia 900 on Tuesday.

Damn you.  want  that phone.

Isnt that 12mp camera?

Very jealous.
 :)


It's 8mp. The 910 will have a 12mp. But the Pure will have 41mp..


0.0

Is that the Pure rumoured to have a WP version in the works?



selnor said:
pbroy said:
selnor said:
disolitude said:
selnor said:
 



Im referring to PC windows 8.

 

You are saying-asking if windows 8 on desktop will improve Windows Phone marketshare. And I am asnwering, no it wont if that is the only change they make to Windows phone, and have suggested other things they need to do to fix WP lack of marketshare.

With that said I am getting Lumia 900 on Tuesday.

Damn you.  want  that phone.

Isnt that 12mp camera?

Very jealous.
 :)


It's 8mp. The 910 will have a 12mp. But the Pure will have 41mp..


0.0

Is that the Pure rumoured to have a WP version in the works?


Yup..

http://www.wpcentral.com/leaked-images-lumia-pureview-windows-phone







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disolitude said:
TheSwordUser said:

I hope it doesn't. Otherwise MS will get the idea that we (as a whole) like Windows 8 and we'll be forever stuck with this ugly excuse of an interface.

New features are fine, however, in my opinion, if this Metro abomination will stay mandatory in any way, shape or form on desktops and laptops, then this system will fail. Mostly due to internet backlash.

And yes, I've tested W8. Deleted VM with it after 15 minutes, I just couldn't stand looking at this new "start menu".

It looks decent on handheld devices with touchscreen, but it just doesn't make sense on 24" HD display. Big boxes cluttering entire display space doesn't look appealing when you can just have, you know , regular icons.

When I was a kid a lot of my friends had older brothers who kept saying the same things about Windows 3.1. It being an abomination... They were part of the DOS 4 Life crowd. And we see how that turned out.


At the time, MS pretty much stole desktop UI from Mac and it worked for decades. Now when they're trying to be innovative....well, it looks like an attempt to cash-in a quick buck because supporting one, and only one system for more than 3 years is just not profitable enough. Or it's just plain fixing something that isn't broken at all. For that kind of change to make sense, we'd need to see other OSes (various Linux distros, OS X) start using Metro-esque interface sometime later (if it's the real and only way to move forward). At this moment, I consider Metro UI a Love-it-or-hate-it gimmick.

Windows 7 will be supported till 2020 at least, there's no need to hurry with moving (unless Win8 will have exclusive directX 12 support or something like that, as it was with 10 and vista).



TheSwordUser said:
disolitude said:
TheSwordUser said:

I hope it doesn't. Otherwise MS will get the idea that we (as a whole) like Windows 8 and we'll be forever stuck with this ugly excuse of an interface.

New features are fine, however, in my opinion, if this Metro abomination will stay mandatory in any way, shape or form on desktops and laptops, then this system will fail. Mostly due to internet backlash.

And yes, I've tested W8. Deleted VM with it after 15 minutes, I just couldn't stand looking at this new "start menu".

It looks decent on handheld devices with touchscreen, but it just doesn't make sense on 24" HD display. Big boxes cluttering entire display space doesn't look appealing when you can just have, you know , regular icons.

When I was a kid a lot of my friends had older brothers who kept saying the same things about Windows 3.1. It being an abomination... They were part of the DOS 4 Life crowd. And we see how that turned out.


At the time, MS pretty much stole desktop UI from Mac and it worked for decades. Now when they're trying to be innovative....well, it looks like an attempt to cash-in a quick buck because supporting one, and only one system for more than 3 years is just not profitable enough. Or it's just plain fixing something that isn't broken at all. For that kind of change to make sense, we'd need to see other OSes (various Linux distros, OS X) start using Metro-esque interface sometime later (if it's the real and only way to move forward). At this moment, I consider Metro UI a Love-it-or-hate-it gimmick.

Windows 7 will be supported till 2020 at least, there's no need to hurry with moving (unless Win8 will have exclusive directX 12 support or something like that, as it was with 10 and vista).

2 HUGE reasons why I couldnt return to Windows 7.

Snap Multitasking. This is somthing I now do all the time, and have wondered how the hell I worked without it before. Using a Mac or a PC without it is really painful.

Speed. Same laptop, yet seems like I added 4gb ram and 2 extra CPu's. I dont wait for load screens and dont have any freezing issues. Instant everything. Right now I have 14 apps open 2 seperate IE's and am playing music. Windows 8 tells me I'm using 11% of my dual ore Pentium 2.4ghz. And 44% of my 4gb ram. And I'm snap multitasking all at once. This OS is unbelieveable. MY previous version of Win 7 only dreams of running lke this.



selnor said:
TWRoO said:

Do you work for MS?

To answer your first question, I have to confirm something... I though Windows 8 was meant to be cross platform etc, in other words isn't windows 8 supposed to be a replacement to the Windows Phone OS? If not then I am guessing it is meant to share with WP8, so why would it improve WP7.5s marketshare?

Oh and Windows 8 will not be bundled with every tablet, people will still be using IOS and Android on those.

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Personally I don't see any advantages of moving to windows 8 on a desktop or laptop until I can use it with a touchscreen, and if MetroUI can't be turned off people using a mouse are gonna get pissed off (perhaps it can be turned off, but the last video I saw of it working [before Christmas] the Metro interface was defaulted to every time you go to the 'desktop')
Don't get me wrong, if I had the money I would love to buy one of those all in one touchscreens to act as a desktop, then maybe have a TV I could control with a tablet device in the living room and a smart phone to travel with... and having it all able to connect through Windows 8. 'twould be awesome. But it is going to take some time for Windows 8 to penetrate people's home devices before it will start to influence people's decisions about smart phone OS. You seem to be assuming a few weeks after W8 releases 90% of computer owners will have upgraded. I'm not even sure Windows 7 is beating Windows XP yet in terms of use (though it is probably mostly business computers holding it back, which won't have as much effect on what smart phone OS people choose... but it should still help show how slow the adoption rate is)


Tis cool bro.

 

Windows 7.5 is just like Windows 8  PC. I have both so, I know. Yes WP8 is coming but not this year. Only Win 8  is coming this year.

Ipad is made by apple, so Tablets arent really afectin them.

Anroid however, I think are in trouble. This is Windows. And Androi tablets as they are now are in alot of trouble ainst what I'm running on my laptop as we speak. SAmsung, Acer etc will coose Windows 8 over Android. Thisisnt like Windows Mobile or a seprate windows touch. windows 8 is windows 8.

Also with a mouse metro is easy as pie. The scroll on the mouse is used nicely to scroll along the UI. And snap maultitasking is also esy wth mouse.Yes touch is te ultimate but mouse and keyboard is by far still amazingly easy and intuitive.

I can run like 10 programs with not a single load on Windows 8 while running a HD video in the background. On a 2.4ghz dual core pentium 4gb ram laptop. On the same laptop Win 7 cold manage about 6 programs but with loading and a SD video. But switching between the programs was not fluid nor loadless on Win7.

Also Win 8 provides me with easy snap together apps. Right now I write this coment with side by side snapped in People app. A notification cam through that someone wanted to Video chat like 20 secs ago. Instantly snapped in the app for that by simply clicking the notification that came up. And all the while keeping this IE10 open ad visible side by side.

The ability of Win 8 is unmatched for what can be achieved. specialy where multitasking and cross program intergration is concerned.

Ah, I see... Still, I assume WP8 won't be too far behind W8... as such there will not be enough time for W8 to make a significant difference to the marketshare of WP7.5.

I don't really understand your comment about iPad... the iPad is a tablet too, and as such will be competing against W8 tablets, oh wait, I guess you mean because Android and W8 will actually be competing on the same devices (wheras Apple obviously won't be putting anything other than IOS on the iPad)... In that case yes you have a point in that it will affect Android more, but Android is certainly not going to be a pushover, it is going to take time if W8 is going to manage anything in the portable device market.

My laptop is 1.7GHz and 4Gb RAM and has no trouble with 6 or more programs... Unless you are opening the Adobe suite I don't understand why you can't manage more than 6. Not sure about HD video as I have never had any need to watch video while I am working. And I can switch between programs when i want with no problems either. If the programs on W8 truely don't have any loading time to start-up though then that could be impressive depending on the programs...
as an example I just opened MS Word and it took 4 seconds
MS Excel took 2 (not sure if it was quicker because it's also part of Office though)
Steam took longer at 6 seconds (I don't have it running in the background so that's from scratch)
then Spotify took about 8 seconds (not sure if that's just it though as a few months back it used to be much faster, Spotify has been getting gradually poorer)
then Chrome: 4 seconds
iPlayer: 3 seconds.... that's now 7 programs open and I can switch between them instantly, I am running out of programs I use frequently that aren't Adobe though, so lets see how long Photoshop takes: 12 seconds (actually seems quicker than usual)
Illustrator: about 20 seconds (perhaps a bit slower than usual... oh and it's CS3 compared to CS5 for my Photoshop, so I don't think there will be many shared resources)
Powerpoint: 3 seconds... that's now 10 programs I have open, Spotify is running Steam is downloading game updates and I am currently using Firefox, and there is no discernable difference when switching programs compared to when I only have 2 open.
Added Windows Media player... 'fraid I don't have an HD content but I am now also playing some SD video and not having any frame-rate issues.

I can only assume there is something wrong with your laptop, you are exaggerating, or when you say 'running programs' you mean for them to be doing something rather than sitting idle (though as I mentioned, Spotify, Media player, Firefox and Steam were all running things at once, and I just opened a project and started drawing in Illustrator and then opened a large photo in Photoshop and started adding filters, still no noticable difference in speed)

In total I had 12 programs open if you include Windows Explorer (not sure if that just naturally runs in the background anyway) and tried to get as many as I could doing something at once, or at least in quick succession after each other as I can't physically type and/or draw in more than 1 program at once myself.

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Anyhow, technical performance test aside, I am intrigued by this "snap together" thing you mentioned.... are you saying that you were browsing, and when you clicked to check the video chat it snapped both onto the screen at once for you? as that does sound pretty cool (at least assuming it doesn't just put it 50:50 anyway... quite often when i am browsing I will snap firefox to one side to be able to view/use another program... but I then have to adjust both programs width to what's needed)

EDIT: MSWord opened twice as fast the second time I tried... does office continue to run in the background once you close it's programs? or does W7 keep resources in temporary RAM or something?



TWRoO said:
selnor said:
TWRoO said:

Do you work for MS?

To answer your first question, I have to confirm something... I though Windows 8 was meant to be cross platform etc, in other words isn't windows 8 supposed to be a replacement to the Windows Phone OS? If not then I am guessing it is meant to share with WP8, so why would it improve WP7.5s marketshare?

Oh and Windows 8 will not be bundled with every tablet, people will still be using IOS and Android on those.

----

Personally I don't see any advantages of moving to windows 8 on a desktop or laptop until I can use it with a touchscreen, and if MetroUI can't be turned off people using a mouse are gonna get pissed off (perhaps it can be turned off, but the last video I saw of it working [before Christmas] the Metro interface was defaulted to every time you go to the 'desktop')
Don't get me wrong, if I had the money I would love to buy one of those all in one touchscreens to act as a desktop, then maybe have a TV I could control with a tablet device in the living room and a smart phone to travel with... and having it all able to connect through Windows 8. 'twould be awesome. But it is going to take some time for Windows 8 to penetrate people's home devices before it will start to influence people's decisions about smart phone OS. You seem to be assuming a few weeks after W8 releases 90% of computer owners will have upgraded. I'm not even sure Windows 7 is beating Windows XP yet in terms of use (though it is probably mostly business computers holding it back, which won't have as much effect on what smart phone OS people choose... but it should still help show how slow the adoption rate is)


Tis cool bro.

 

Windows 7.5 is just like Windows 8  PC. I have both so, I know. Yes WP8 is coming but not this year. Only Win 8  is coming this year.

Ipad is made by apple, so Tablets arent really afectin them.

Anroid however, I think are in trouble. This is Windows. And Androi tablets as they are now are in alot of trouble ainst what I'm running on my laptop as we speak. SAmsung, Acer etc will coose Windows 8 over Android. Thisisnt like Windows Mobile or a seprate windows touch. windows 8 is windows 8.

Also with a mouse metro is easy as pie. The scroll on the mouse is used nicely to scroll along the UI. And snap maultitasking is also esy wth mouse.Yes touch is te ultimate but mouse and keyboard is by far still amazingly easy and intuitive.

I can run like 10 programs with not a single load on Windows 8 while running a HD video in the background. On a 2.4ghz dual core pentium 4gb ram laptop. On the same laptop Win 7 cold manage about 6 programs but with loading and a SD video. But switching between the programs was not fluid nor loadless on Win7.

Also Win 8 provides me with easy snap together apps. Right now I write this coment with side by side snapped in People app. A notification cam through that someone wanted to Video chat like 20 secs ago. Instantly snapped in the app for that by simply clicking the notification that came up. And all the while keeping this IE10 open ad visible side by side.

The ability of Win 8 is unmatched for what can be achieved. specialy where multitasking and cross program intergration is concerned.

Ah, I see... Still, I assume WP8 won't be too far behind W8... as such there will not be enough time for W8 to make a significant difference to the marketshare of WP7.5.

I don't really understand your comment about iPad... the iPad is a tablet too, and as such will be competing against W8 tablets, oh wait, I guess you mean because Android and W8 will actually be competing on the same devices (wheras Apple obviously won't be putting anything other than IOS on the iPad)... In that case yes you have a point in that it will affect Android more, but Android is certainly not going to be a pushover, it is going to take time if W8 is going to manage anything in the portable device market.

My laptop is 1.7GHz and 4Gb RAM and has no trouble with 6 or more programs... Unless you are opening the Adobe suite I don't understand why you can't manage more than 6. Not sure about HD video as I have never had any need to watch video while I am working. And I can switch between programs when i want with no problems either. If the programs on W8 truely don't have any loading time to start-up though then that could be impressive depending on the programs...
as an example I just opened MS Word and it took 4 seconds
MS Excel took 2 (not sure if it was quicker because it's also part of Office though)
Steam took longer at 6 seconds (I don't have it running in the background so that's from scratch)
then Spotify took about 8 seconds (not sure if that's just it though as a few months back it used to be much faster, Spotify has been getting gradually poorer)
then Chrome: 4 seconds
iPlayer: 3 seconds.... that's now 7 programs open and I can switch between them instantly, I am running out of programs I use frequently that aren't Adobe though, so lets see how long Photoshop takes: 12 seconds (actually seems quicker than usual)
Illustrator: about 20 seconds (perhaps a bit slower than usual... oh and it's CS3 compared to CS5 for my Photoshop, so I don't think there will be many shared resources)
Powerpoint: 3 seconds... that's now 10 programs I have open, Spotify is running Steam is downloading game updates and I am currently using Firefox, and there is no discernable difference when switching programs compared to when I only have 2 open.
Added Windows Media player... 'fraid I don't have an HD content but I am now also playing some SD video and not having any frame-rate issues.

I can only assume there is something wrong with your laptop, you are exaggerating, or when you say 'running programs' you mean for them to be doing something rather than sitting idle (though as I mentioned, Spotify, Media player, Firefox and Steam were all running things at once, and I just opened a project and started drawing in Illustrator and then opened a large photo in Photoshop and started adding filters, still no noticable difference in speed)

In total I had 12 programs open if you include Windows Explorer (not sure if that just naturally runs in the background anyway) and tried to get as many as I could doing something at once, or at least in quick succession after each other as I can't physically type and/or draw in more than 1 program at once myself.

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Anyhow, technical performance test aside, I am intrigued by this "snap together" thing you mentioned.... are you saying that you were browsing, and when you clicked to check the video chat it snapped both onto the screen at once for you? as that does sound pretty cool (at least assuming it doesn't just put it 50:50 anyway... quite often when i am browsing I will snap firefox to one side to be able to view/use another program... but I then have to adjust both programs width to what's needed)

EDIT: MSWord opened twice as fast the second time I tried... does office continue to run in the background once you close it's programs? or does W7 keep resources in temporary RAM or something?

snap multitasking:

 

This is exactly what I'm using right now





selnor said:

snap multitasking:

This is exactly what I'm using right now

Thanks. The snapping thing looks cool (though again on a laptop with no touch screen and usually no mouse I will probably have to settle for 50:50 and then drag with the touchpad like I do now, but at least both programs will adjust at once)

Some of those other features would annoy me though, and i hope it's possible to customise... for example the swiping on the right side just to get a start menu would be irritating with a mouse, same for the tabs in IE10 being hidden at the top. Ultimately nothing in the MUI I saw in the video is of any use to me without a touchscreen, which is why I hope it doesn't default to it all the time.