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I think publishers hate used games sales more than pirating. With pirating they probably know that person would never spend the money, but with used games they know they are loosing actuall cash. I hope neither ms/sony/nintendo go that route.



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BenVTrigger said:
RolStoppable said:
BenVTrigger said:
I certainly believe that yes in some form they will begin to destroy used game sales.

And to people saying, "No company would be that stupid", your hilarious. The PC market has already completly eliminated used games, consoles are next.

That would explain why the market shifted to the HD consoles while PC gaming is crumbling. Of course, a lot of people don't really see it, because the overall revenue of PC gaming has remained stable due to the gains of flash game portals and Facebook stuff in recent years.


Regardless its coming.  And I work for Gamestop you think I LIKE that its going that way? 

...yeeeeeeessssss....???



RolStoppable said:
BenVTrigger said:
RolStoppable said:

That would explain why the market shifted to the HD consoles while PC gaming is crumbling. Of course, a lot of people don't really see it, because the overall revenue of PC gaming has remained stable due to the gains of flash game portals and Facebook stuff in recent years.

Regardless its coming.  And I work for Gamestop you think I LIKE that its going that way? 

 

Trust me next-gen you will see the beginning of getting rid of used games, they won't be gone entirely next gen but they will be phasing out.

Oh well, the market will send the message like it always does. Companies are doing themselves a big disservice by assuming that the vast majority of gamers are like drug addicts. Once people get burned by the hype/marketing for a game and realize that their games has little to no resale value, they will simply buy less games. This will lead to new games dropping even faster in price and the video game industry will have an even worse problem than they have now.

New crash coming?



RolStoppable said:
BenVTrigger said:
RolStoppable said:

That would explain why the market shifted to the HD consoles while PC gaming is crumbling. Of course, a lot of people don't really see it, because the overall revenue of PC gaming has remained stable due to the gains of flash game portals and Facebook stuff in recent years.

Regardless its coming.  And I work for Gamestop you think I LIKE that its going that way? 

 

Trust me next-gen you will see the beginning of getting rid of used games, they won't be gone entirely next gen but they will be phasing out.

Oh well, the market will send the message like it always does. Companies are doing themselves a big disservice by assuming that the vast majority of gamers are like drug addicts. Once people get burned by the hype/marketing for a game and realize that their games has little to no resale value, they will simply buy less games. This will lead to new games dropping even faster in price and the video game industry will have an even worse problem than they have now.

Based on, what, PC game sales?



Guess what? Math time!

The used game market is 10% of the new game market in the U.S. (according to NPD) Let's say that, between direct used sales (ebay, garage sales etc) and indirect (GameStop, Best Buy etc) gamers who buy games with the money end up with 1/3 of that. (it's probably a bit higher) Of that 1/3, perhaps 1/2 goes to buying new games. So around 1.5% of the NEW game market is a result of the used game market. That seems small, but it's important for later.

Next, consider how much of used game sales go directly to, well, used game sales. Much of the rest of that 1/3. So we'll call 15% of the used game sales a direct result of used game sales (the industry fuels itself). Publishers can't have this money, because it doesn't exist if there's no used game market. (technically speaking, the "wealth" wouldn't exist, either way they can't have it)

Now, let's assume that publishers receive all of the remaining money (that is, the money that gamers do not receive from sales), which is equivalent to 7% of the new game market. Adjusting for that 1.5% of the new market that would evaporate with the demise of used games, and publishers share of the market is...105.5% of the current-day market. Without taking into account other things (for example, how many new games do game store employees buy with the money that was spent on used games? another .5% could perhaps be taken off, but that's hard to figure)

If we assume only a 5% increase in revenue(personally I think that's a bit high), you can be sure gamers, and developers for that matter, won't see any benefit of eliminating used game sales. In order for games to be $10 cheaper, (~83% of today's prices) revenue would have to increase by at least 20% (as 83.33 x 1.2 = 100). When the total value of the used game market is only at 10% of new games, you can see how this is entirely impossible.

Some people believe, surely, that it's all in the unit numbers. If the number of used game sales translated to new game sales, profits would increase drastically. However, it's absurd to assume people will spend more money on games than they already do. It's not about how many people buy a game, it's about how much they spend on games. You can't create money from nowhere, people will simply buy fewer games.

What WILL happen is this: People will play fewer games. People will be more reluctant to buy new games from un-established franchises or developers. Developers will ultimately be less willing to take risks, and gaming will stagnate without a drastic overhaul. (as PC gaming would be stagnant if not for services like Steam which changed the gaming landscape, and the arrival of flash and facebook games)



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Pachter thoughts on this subject:

Pachter stressed that "if one does it and the others don't, the one who does it will see a loss of market share." He added that none of the big three console manufacturers "are stupid enough to do this unilaterally" and none of them "are evil enough to do it together."

souce

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Wait, when he started to say things that make sense? O.o

 



I think there is no truth whatsoever. They'd have to stop making disks or do somthing like Itunes where it can only be used on 1 consle, and frankly i dont think there going to do that.



adsl said:

 

Pachter thoughts on this subject:

Pachter stressed that "if one does it and the others don't, the one who does it will see a loss of market share." He added that none of the big three console manufacturers "are stupid enough to do this unilaterally" and none of them "are evil enough to do it together."

souce

...

Wait, when he started to say things that make sense? O.o

 





Used games wouldn't be such a big problem if you didn't have billion dollar companies like GameStop actively undermining the gaming industry by pushing and encouraging the mass selling and purchasing of used software and hardware, even if you're only saving a few bucks off the actual MSRP.

Or do you think eBay and your local pawn shops or flea markets are taking a huge chunk out of the gaming industry's profits?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

that would be a stupid decision, that would kill them.