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Roma on 25 March 2012
concity06 said:

It's funny when people say the Wii aren't winning this gen.  They are winning this gen!!  In football if one team has more talent then the opposition, but the opposition team wins then they won.  It doesn't matter who has more talent, what matters is who wins.  The goals for a company is to collect profits, gain market share and sell more then their competition.  The Wii didn't have the best 3rd party support, but they are still winning with less talent in some people's eyes anyways.  I think the Wii's 1st party games are fun as hell personally.  I like them enough to purchase a Wii.  But my grandma has one so I'm good just playing it at her house.

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theARTIST0017 on 25 March 2012

It's interesting to read peoples thoughts in this thread. Hopefully no one here actually believes that the Wii U is "as powerful" with current gen consoles, as it has already been stated previously many times that its more than so.

In fact I believe his statement is misleading. Something that is more powerful than something can technically be on par with it at the same time, no? Think about it.



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theARTIST0017 on 25 March 2012
Soundwave said:
morenoingrato said:
Soundwave said:


Having the widest amount of third party developer support, being the platform that has the best quality games on it as a whole (see: NES, SNES, Playstation, Playstation 2), having the most active marketplace for developers games ... I think has to be considered.

The Wii is not like the previous generation "winners" in those respects.

Boy you'd be a terrible President.

Also, you can't ever miss the classic Opinions =/= Facts.

You're going to argue the developer support difference isn't factual? What's Epic working on for Wii today? Capcom? Konami? Sega? Any of the major Western developers?

Everyone ditched this platform over a year ago, the only "big" third party game still in development for it today is Epic Mickey 2 and Dragon Quest X (which is also coming to Wii U, thankfully). A lot of good that 100 million user base is if developers don't want to make any games for it. Well outside of Just Dance games.

The Wii certainly did not develop the software ecosystem previous market leaders did ... if you're going to seriously debate that you're in massive denial.


For the first bolded statement, I would have to say this is a good thing, perhaps a strategy by Nintendo so they can focus on Wii U seeing on how development takes 2-3 years now.



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mike_intellivision on 25 March 2012
Mummelmann said:
mike_intellivision said:
If the power is the same, how you would "uprez"ing be possible. The quote has internal inconsitencies.

Also, how powerful will games have to be next time around? If you build too much' you can overshoot the market and the pricepoint. Still about one home in three does not have an HD Tv in the US and it has the highest penetration rate in the world. So going to 2048p that no one can see buys you nothing.

From what I understand, many current games struggle with HD and fall into the 560p range, just above SD. Meanwhile, the WiiU supposedly does 1080p or 720p on screen and 480p on controller. If it holds 60fps and uses industry standard elements, it should be fine.

If not, maybe Nintendo will be bold and start buying all the third party studios. 8*>

Mike from Morgantown


Just have to correct you here; this is not so. Norway, for instance, had around 45% HDTV penetration in early 2008, this number has likely risen to well above 70% (hovers just under 80% according to Elektronikkgruppen) today. Much the same can be said about Sweden and Denmark and most of western Europe has a higher rate than 50-60% as well (UK and Germany in particular). Not to mention Japan, they have had HD broadcasts since 1990 and one can only imagine their percentage... Australia also has a massive penetration rate, I think perhaps the highest in the world right now.

As a major global region, I'm sure the US has the highest but there are several individual nations who have higher rates.

Otherwise, I largely agree with the rest of your post and, indeed, your main point.


I stand corrected.  I could not find the data that I was trying to remember from memory.

I did find a reference that showed North America as the top HD region. I also found one which showd the UK followed by the US in a study of 17 tech nations: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/uk-hdtv-ownership-hd-channel-20101206949.htm





      


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mike_intellivision on 25 March 2012
JEMC said:
TomaTito said:
JEMC said:

And this is what they said in August:

http://www.videogamer.com/wiiu/darksiders_2/news/darksiders_dev_praises_power_of_wii_u.html 

"Asked if Darksiders II will be best on Wii U, Adams said: "Yeah, just because the hardware is more powerful and it will have some extra features that I think will actually be useful to people playing the game. With it's controller, [the Wii U version of Darksiders II] might be the best version of the game."

On another note, imo going the "Sony route" is dumb. They were lucky with the PS2, but this time it has been more a problem than an asset.

Marvin and Adams need to sit down together in order to make similar statements. Its great PR having different employees say something and completely backtrack a few months later.  No one will take you seriously if you contentiously contradict yourself.

Truth be told, David Adams is the General manager of Vigil (so nothing to do with development) while Marvin Donald is the director of the game. So Donald probably knows more about it.


Actually, Donald's comment that they have not done anything on the WiiU to "Rez" up the game would appear to support Adams' statement. That the WiiU is more powerful.

 

That being said, programming makes a big different. Look at NFS: Hot Pursuit 2. The PS2 was vastly superior to the GC and Xbox visions, even though it was the least powerful machine of the three.

 

Mike from Morgantown



      


I am Mario.


I like to jump around, and would lead a fairly serene and aimless existence if it weren't for my friends always getting into trouble. I love to help out, even when it puts me at risk. I seem to make friends with people who just can't stay out of trouble.

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TomaTito on 25 March 2012
mike_intellivision said:
JEMC said:

Truth be told, David Adams is the General manager of Vigil (so nothing to do with development) while Marvin Donald is the director of the game. So Donald probably knows more about it.

Actually, Donald's comment that they have not done anything on the WiiU to "Rez" up the game would appear to support Adams' statement. That the WiiU is more powerful.

Essentially both of them are right, the Wii U version requires a more powerful hardware in order to run the game on par with current gen consoles and have the inventory running in an extra screen.



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DanneSandin on 25 March 2012
RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

To me, as a mere wannabe amateur, it doesn't make sense to invest so heavily in a product and not getting my money back... It's even worse if I only kept losing it! At some time you just gotta withdraw and say "enough is enough"... How come they're still in the game? Well, I understand why they will be around for another generation - but if that one goes bad... Why hang in there?

Because the dream of the convergence box exists since the '80s and will continue to do so regardless of failures.

You mean a multimedia hub? Man, Apples gonna take that one :P



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Cheebee on 25 March 2012

Just how often can one say 'you know' in one small article... O_O'



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UnitSmiley on 25 March 2012
Roma said:
concity06 said:

It's funny when people say the Wii aren't winning this gen.  They are winning this gen!!  In football if one team has more talent then the opposition, but the opposition team wins then they won.  It doesn't matter who has more talent, what matters is who wins.  The goals for a company is to collect profits, gain market share and sell more then their competition.  The Wii didn't have the best 3rd party support, but they are still winning with less talent in some people's eyes anyways.  I think the Wii's 1st party games are fun as hell personally.  I like them enough to purchase a Wii.  But my grandma has one so I'm good just playing it at her house.

you only win if you're not Nintendo

Now that Nintendo is on top the rules have changed. Now wining is when you have more 3rd party games and if your console sells more than the winning console at the end of a generation.


There is a huge debate (and rightfully so) between people who think selling more = winning.

I'm a fan of both Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo definitely won when it comes to sales, nobody is trying to argue that. But most of their sales have been from soccer moms and little kids. Yeah, they had some great core titles, but they were few and far between.

Now compared to say Sony, Sony decided to use the most powerful hardware they could (more powerful than the wii and 360  anyway) and due to its price point and crappy launch, it cost them. However, they have always had a lot of really good core games that appeal to the hardcore crowd. (by that i mean not soccer moms and kids/casuals).

There is nothing wrong with Nintendo widening it's audience, but a lot of core Nintendo fans have felt left a little dissapointed. I still appreciate what Nintendo has to offer and I'm on board for the Wii U when it comes out, and a PS4 whenever that comes out. Basically i think back say in the 90's one could have a better arguement that sales = win. But now that more people (casuals) have entered the market, i think it should be about what the company offers core gamers, that decides who is victorious. In my opinion anyway.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 25 March 2012
Cheebee said:
Just how often can one say 'you know' in one small article... O_O'


Well, that's the thing. It's not an article, it's an interview put down in words :P