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Rath said:


@Runa. No need to be rude, while you may not agree with his views (I sure don't) but his post was perfectly polite.

Polite or not, some of his views (no matter how prettied up) are barbaric.  

I've met polite white supremacists, doesn't mean I need to tolerate their ideologies.  I know that's an extreme example, but the implications are the same, he's just bigot-lite.  

And before people start spewing nonsense about how I'm just as closeminded as those I judge, just don't bother.  Saying something is morally wrong is not the same as "I disagree with it, therefore it's wrong."  There's a difference between bigotry and justifiable intolerance.  



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Runa216 said:

Well thanks!  now I know you can be one person I can dismiss as a fanatical extremist!  

Pro Life?  cool, women don't get to have choices of what they do with their bodies.  AWESOME 
Anti Gun control?  Awesome, not long before america is as bad as Somalia...what with all the child armies and whatnot!  GUNS FOR EVERYONE! 
Gays can't marry?  AWESOME!  you're a bigot.  End of discussion. 

Just becuase someone't is tradition doesn't make it right. This post here (and people who agree with it) are what make the political right look like a bunch of extremist rednecks.  Keep up the good work!  

I am sort of surprised that you're calling him out on the last one when he did say that gays should be allowed to marry anyway, because no one has the right to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their lives. He personally disagrees with it, but he doesn't want it to be banned.

As for the anti gun control... there is a lot of data supporting that position, and really, with all of the people who do carry guns around in the US now, you'd think gun crime rates would be much higher. But most of these people aren't nutcases, and only want to carry for self defense. Also, no one under the age of 21 can get a concealed carry permit. Why do you think this is an extremist position?

About abortion... I am pretty sure that people who are against it do not view it as the woman's body. They view the fetus as a life, and abortion as murder. Since the biggest controversy is when does a fetus become a life, it isn't surprising that some people believe that it is life from the moment of conception.

Overall, I thought his post was pretty tame and well worded. I'm not sure why you're calling him out as a fanatical extremist without even asking for him to explain his reasoning for believing what he does.



green_sky said:

That seems surprisingly awesome. Okay honestly though. Pornography does have negative effects. I don't want it banned it something but atleast there should be open mature discussion. Also i don't get the part where women say it empowers them. Yea well okay but some of the stuff is so far fetched that empowerment would self destruct itself if it came in the same room as such pornography. 

Care to prove it without resorting to extreme examples (rape, abuse, trafficking, addiction.)  The only way you can get away with saying "porn has negative effects" is if you prove that porn itself, and not the actions surrounding it's users, is the problem.  



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insomniac17 said:
Runa216 said:

Well thanks!  now I know you can be one person I can dismiss as a fanatical extremist!  

Pro Life?  cool, women don't get to have choices of what they do with their bodies.  AWESOME 
Anti Gun control?  Awesome, not long before america is as bad as Somalia...what with all the child armies and whatnot!  GUNS FOR EVERYONE! 
Gays can't marry?  AWESOME!  you're a bigot.  End of discussion. 

Just becuase someone't is tradition doesn't make it right. This post here (and people who agree with it) are what make the political right look like a bunch of extremist rednecks.  Keep up the good work!  

I am sort of surprised that you're calling him out on the last one when he did say that gays should be allowed to marry anyway, because no one has the right to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their lives. He personally disagrees with it, but he doesn't want it to be banned.

As for the anti gun control... there is a lot of data supporting that position, and really, with all of the people who do carry guns around in the US now, you'd think gun crime rates would be much higher. But most of these people aren't nutcases, and only want to carry for self defense. Also, no one under the age of 21 can get a concealed carry permit. Why do you think this is an extremist position?

About abortion... I am pretty sure that people who are against it do not view it as the woman's body. They view the fetus as a life, and abortion as murder. Since the biggest controversy is when does a fetus become a life, it isn't surprising that some people believe that it is life from the moment of conception.

Overall, I thought his post was pretty tame and well worded. I'm not sure why you're calling him out as a fanatical extremist without even asking for him to explain his reasoning for believing what he does.

For the bolded: I Admit I didn't finish reading his post.  I saw the "I think gays marrying is wrong" and was like "That's it, I'm done."  

I have a really hard time arguing with gun nuts, simply becuase in all the cases where I argued with them, I have not seen one bit of compelling evidence that having less gun control made the world a better place.  Guns may not kill people, but they make it easy for anyone (even a dog) to kill someone.  More gun control is better.  I'm not saying NO guns, just...for chrissakes, this is a gun, a device who's primary function is to kill...there should be VERY strict rules.  I don't see how in any way you should be able to just walk up to someone and say "I want a gun."  That's dumb. 

Abortion is a tricky one, becuase it's hard to really nail down when a fetus stops being a parasite and starts being its own person. I just hate the belief that, if a person makes a mistake or gets into something they can't handle, they should be expected to suffer becuase some moron decided that parasitic mass of cells (that she created of her own body, that is living off her support) has more rights than she does.  if I was a woman, I'd be far more livid about abortion than I am. "my body, my choice...fuck you.  I'll terminate this pregnancy if you like it or not."  

I do, however, agree that it's a tricky subject due to the fact that, yes it is life in there. 



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Runa216 said:
Signalstar said:
This is the least sexy thread involving porn we've ever had. Unless you count Badgenome, Kitler, and Amp's avatars.

should I porn it up with links to some of my favorite porn sites? 


 

...PM me.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1gWECYYOSo

Please Watch/Share this video so it gets shown in Hollywood.

Who is harmed from pornography?

- The women make a shit ton of money
- The guys get to have sex with a [usually] good looking girl
- Everyone at home gets some good material to pump off to

As long as the legitimate actors and actresses of the porn industry are regularly checked for STD's, then nobody is getting hurt.



Runa216 said:

For the bolded: I Admit I didn't finish reading his post.  I saw the "I think gays marrying is wrong" and was like "That's it, I'm done."  

I have a really hard time arguing with gun nuts, simply becuase in all the cases where I argued with them, I have not seen one bit of compelling evidence that having less gun control made the world a better place.  Guns may not kill people, but they make it easy for anyone (even a dog) to kill someone.  More gun control is better.  I'm not saying NO guns, just...for chrissakes, this is a gun, a device who's primary function is to kill...there should be VERY strict rules.  I don't see how in any way you should be able to just walk up to someone and say "I want a gun."  That's dumb. 

Abortion is a tricky one, becuase it's hard to really nail down when a fetus stops being a parasite and starts being its own person. I just hate the belief that, if a person makes a mistake or gets into something they can't handle, they should be expected to suffer becuase some moron decided that parasitic mass of cells (that she created of her own body, that is living off her support) has more rights than she does.  if I was a woman, I'd be far more livid about abortion than I am. "my body, my choice...fuck you.  I'll terminate this pregnancy if you like it or not."  

I do, however, agree that it's a tricky subject due to the fact that, yes it is life in there. 

That's fair. Guns do make it easier to kill, and you certainly don't want to be handing them out like free candy. To the best of my knowledge, buying a gun in the US involves a background check (and you can't get one if you are a convicted felon), and a waiting period before you actually get the gun. And at least in the state I live in, you have to go to a class before getting a concealed carry permit, teaching you about proper gun safety, how to use one, and things like that.

It is. I don't know that there is a clear right or wrong, because it really depends on how you see the issue. I have seen very compelling arguments for both sides.



insomniac17 said:

That's fair. Guns do make it easier to kill, and you certainly don't want to be handing them out like free candy. To the best of my knowledge, buying a gun in the US involves a background check (and you can't get one if you are a convicted felon), and a waiting period before you actually get the gun. And at least in the state I live in, you have to go to a class before getting a concealed carry permit, teaching you about proper gun safety, how to use one, and things like that.

It is. I don't know that there is a clear right or wrong, because it really depends on how you see the issue. I have seen very compelling arguments for both sides.

I think a lot of my complaints about guns come not from the guns themselves, but the ideaology surrounding them.  I like guns, to be honest, but this national obsession with them is...frightening.  Canadians have the same amount of firearms per capita but it's not a national issue.  We don't fellate the weapons like it's some natural right to have them like Americans do.  

guns themselves, when used respectfully and responsibly, are great to have around, be it for defense, hunting, sport, or whatever you want them for, but obsessing over them and getting your ass in a tuff becuase some dude said we should be more restrictive with Gun licensing is...scary. It's scary, it's pathetic, and it's dangerous.  



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sperrico87 said:

Nah, that's not liberal.  That's LibertarianBig difference.  And Libertarianism was the basis of the Republican Party until it was taken over in the 1960's by the so-called "conservatives".  Myself and others, such as Ron Paul, represent the Old Right, the party of Robert Taft.

Liberals believe in FORCING people to give others what they think they are deserved.  They believe in big, over-reaching government.  Much the way modern conservatives do, just in different areas.  Conservatives believe in a big overseas military empire.  Liberals believe in providing "free" health insurance to everyone, and taxing people without any limit.

Libertarians are quite the opposite.  The smallest government possible is the best government.  No government interference in any markets, for any reason.  Little or no taxation.  Truly free trade.  No aggressive war or military force unless we are under immenent threat and we have no alternative.  Absolutely no regulations on a person's personal behavior or habits, so long at that person isn't harming someone else.

So, I think you're right in that liberals agree with libertarians on a small number of issues such as legalizing drugs, but we are polar opposites on economic or social issues.  We agree typically with Republicans on economics or taxation, but are polar opposites on foreign policy and drug laws.

It might be better if I labeled myself and other pro-life libertarians as "Minarchists".  Not sure if you're familiar with that term or not.  Because, technically speaking, someone who is 100% absolute Libertarian would be pro-abortion.

I do find philosophy fascinating though, so feel free to disagree or agree.  I'll reply.


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I like to use the Nolan Chart when explaining the differences between political views, such as this one:
http://www.goodandbadnews.com/images/politicalspace1.jpg

It's sad that freedom has been chopped into pieces in the rhetoric of the left- and right-wing advocates. And both the left- and right-wing politicians are converging towards big government philosophies especially for the past few decades. Unified, they truly represent the worst of both parties, and a totalitarian government is closer than ever.

Now, more than ever, is really the time for the libertarian approach to strike a balance - to legalise freedom for the people and limit government power as accordingly in the Constitution!

P.S. This is coming from a Christian who knows of the extremely high moral standards of God, yet knows that it is not through government legislation that these must be enforced upon the people. But rather, it is through the church and the Gospel that these values, which follows the knowledge of God, be promoted (not forced) with love, so that any changes evident in the people/society are from their own willingness within them (and upon the strength given to them by God), and not just an outward compliance due to fear of breaking laws.



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