chris212223 said:
Neither did i lol especially since ManU was in the champions league final last yr. |
yes and they just lost to Barça wich is allways the favorite.
Argh_College said:
yes and they just lost to Barça wich is allways the favorite. |
Yeah. Im hoping a miracle happens and Milan beats them lol
kowenicki said:
Rubbish? its pure stats. Even Liverpool with a much weaker squad and "worse" managers have had 2 champions league finals in the last 10 years and won one of them. Fergie has underachieved in Europe, I dont see how you can square the statements "greatest manager in the world" along with one of the top 3 teams in the world getting to three champions league finals in over 20 years and only winning two. They were outplayed in their first win, won the second on penalties due to the terry slip and were utterly mullered in the third. I agree that Fergie gets more from the team than other managers, but he doesnt have it in Europe. I cant wait for him to retire.... as their domestic form will more closely follow their European form. |
He's taken United to 4 champions league finals actually, lost 2 to Barcelona. As well as that for the first 4 years Ferguson was in charge English clubs were banned from Europe so it's actually 4 finals in 22 years, not 3 in 26. As well as that during the 90s the premier league was nowhere near the force in Europe it is now, demonstrated by the fact that United were the only English finalist of the 90s. United exceeded all expectations just by getting to the final that year. I'd argue that, for the first half of his United career he did at least as well as could be expected in Europe.
Since 2000 I suppose you could argue he has underachieved, although I think 3 finals in 13 isn't too bad, considering he lost 2 of them to arguably (probably?) the greatest team in the history of the game, and the shit he's had to put up with in recent years around the club's owners. I think English fans tend to overestimate the quality of the premier league in relation to the rest of Europe and go into the Champion's league every year with unrealisitc expectations, which has led to people expecting a better record from Ferguson. You point to Liverpool, the only other English winner this century. Well, United have had a better record than them in the past ten years. They've also had a better record than Chelsea, despite the Abramovich money. Fact is, in the time he's been in charge United have been the best English team in Europe.
As for the element of luck in his wins, that's really clutching at straws. It's knockout football, there's always going to be luck involved somewhere along the way. It just happened at particularly dramatic moments in the '99 and '08 finals
chris212223 said:
Yeah. Im hoping a miracle happens and Milan beats them lol |
anything´s possible these days
Go Athletic!!! So proud of my team. 
We'll beat Schalke 04 next.
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| Troll_Whisperer said: Go Athletic!!! So proud of my team. We'll beat Schalke 04 next. |
this will not happen because we will get 4 corners in both games and make 4 goals with them :)
kowenicki said:
Is that why Man U fans hate Liverpool? Still the most succesful team from England... I believe its 41 trophies v 40 (including 5 Euro wins) You are too young to remember (which is most of the problem with the current crop of glory seekers)... I hated Man U when they were still shit. So it isnt based on envy or jealousy at all. I've also been to Old Trafford more than the vast majority of their fans and live well within what you would call their catchment area... again something most of their fans cant say. |
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