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Forums - Sales Discussion - PSV v 3DS v PSP v DS - TRUE Aligned launch - Week 80 update. BRUTAL

phenom08 on 11 October 2012
happydolphin said:
This thread has served me in so many topics.

Yep and its about to serve you in the thread we are debating in. ;)



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happydolphin on 11 October 2012
phenom08 said:
happydolphin said:
This thread has served me in so many topics.

Yep and its about to serve you in the thread we are debating in. ;)

We'll see about that ;)



the2real4mafol on 11 October 2012
happydolphin said:
the2real4mafol said:
kowenicki said:
the2real4mafol said:
Interesting graph, hard to believe PSP narrowly beat DS in that time.


Only in Europe... and it was overtaken pretty soon after these grpahs end I think.  It had a VERY good start on the back of the PS2 juggernaut of the time.

Yeah PS2's decline and PS3's bad start seemed to affect PSP quite alot, it still amazes me that it got close to DS at all

Good point. That goes to show you the importance of the power of a brand. Oddly that doesn't apply to the Game boy line as much, though the GBA did underperform for a Nintendo handheld (in relative terms of course).

I though game boy advance done very well, especially as it was virtually a monopoly at that time. But you do know those total game boy sales include the first game boy from 1989 all the way up to the game boy color in 1998, despite game boy game boy color being a new format



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S.Peelman on 11 October 2012
phenom08 said:
S.Peelman said:
phenom08 said:
What games had the DS received so far in its life in the graphs?

Of the big ones; Nintendogs, Mario Kart DS and Super Mario 64 DS. Not sure if Brain Training and Animal Crossing were out yet, could be either way since they were released around the end of the first year if I'm not mistaken. New Super Mario Bros. wasn't released yet though.

Thanks I thought so, why do 3DS haters make the DS sound like it had nothing in the beginning while the 3DS had it all?

Don't know, as I see it the 3DS had a very similar first year software-wise than DS.



sethnintendo on 11 October 2012

Damn the 3DS is looking good right now! Need to keep the momentum going. Too bad they aren't launching Animal Crossing till next year in USA.



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happydolphin on 11 October 2012
RolStoppable said:

The PSP didn't suffer because of the PS2 decline or the slow PS3 start. When it failed, it did so on its own merits. Where brand mattered was in the beginning, because the system was bought due to lofty expectations (people expected it to be a great gaming device like the PS1 and PS2 before it). Hence the very good first year sales. If there was a direct correlation to brand power throughout the entire generation, then the PSP should have recovered like the PS3, but that didn't happen.

Not sure why you think that the GBA underperformed. It sold at a much faster rate than the Game Boy.

Hmm, I'm not sure. I didn't realize the GBA sold at that much faster a rate than the Game Boy, since the color version came out in 1998 and I believe that's when it really sold alot with pokemon (1996 in JP, 1998/9 in NA/EU). Without numbers it's hard to judge.

As for PSP failing on its own merits, you have a point about the PS3 thing. However, the PS3 recovered not due to its brand power, but due to its software and online offerings. PS3 made its own success imho, despite the harm cause to the PS brand with the PS3 launch. The PS3's pheonix is its own achievement imho. So it would seem that the PSP then failed due to the degradation of the brand in conjunction with a lackluster SW offering. I could be wrong.



CChaos on 18 October 2012

Inching closer to the holidays, one week at a time. I'm getting kind of impatient to see how the Vita's numbers are going to look this Christmas. Sony has to be sweating right about now.



Chandler on 06 November 2012

Any updates on this? I would like to see how the european increase in vita sales looks on the graph...



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Pineapple on 06 November 2012
happydolphin said:
RolStoppable said:

The PSP didn't suffer because of the PS2 decline or the slow PS3 start. When it failed, it did so on its own merits. Where brand mattered was in the beginning, because the system was bought due to lofty expectations (people expected it to be a great gaming device like the PS1 and PS2 before it). Hence the very good first year sales. If there was a direct correlation to brand power throughout the entire generation, then the PSP should have recovered like the PS3, but that didn't happen.

Not sure why you think that the GBA underperformed. It sold at a much faster rate than the Game Boy.

Hmm, I'm not sure. I didn't realize the GBA sold at that much faster a rate than the Game Boy, since the color version came out in 1998 and I believe that's when it really sold alot with pokemon (1996 in JP, 1998/9 in NA/EU). Without numbers it's hard to judge.


There's enough data to figure that the GBA sold faster than the GB on VGChartz. If you add in http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nb20000615a4.html , then it's very clear.

- The original GB had sold 50 million up to 1996
- Between 1996 and 1999, the GB + GBC(1998) sold 30 million
- After that, the GBC sold 40 million

Which leaves you with

GB: 70 million with 9 years as the main handheld
GBC: 50 million with 3 years as the main handheld
GBA: 81 million with 3.5 years as the main handheld



happydolphin on 06 November 2012
Pineapple said:

There's enough data to figure that the GBA sold faster than the GB on VGChartz. If you add in http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nb20000615a4.html , then it's very clear.

- The original GB had sold 50 million up to 1996
- Between 1996 and 1999, the GB + GBC(1998) sold 30 million
- After that, the GBC sold 40 million

Which leaves you with

GB: 70 million with 9 years as the main handheld
GBC: 50 million with 3 years as the main handheld
GBA: 81 million with 3.5 years as the main handheld

Looks good. The GBA is a handheld beast then.