Kids! The thread opener is obviously don't serious with this thread. So don't be to serious too :D

Yes the Wii got a big bunch of great games.

Finally a reasonable reply :)

All I'm saying is basically that if I played games like Halo using motion controls I'd probably get my ass kicked by pretty much anyone since its precision gets overwheight my many other factors.

I too missed the pointer in Skyward Sword which was used in Twilight Princess. Had to reset that thing all the time. The sword controls worked fine as well, I just like to keep workout and video games separated =)

Muramasa was a great game, it deserved more sells. Best hack and slash I ever played. Samurai Warriors Chronicles is close to it.

Goldeneye isn't on the MLG list of games for Wii.  So what are talking about?

That depends on the sensisitivty you select it at.   Some games allow you to change turning speed which can make it way faster than any stick (but it's also too fast as you over spin really easily).

Dual stick, single stick...doens't matter.  We are discussing the accuracy of aiming and for that aspect you only need 1 analog stick anyway.   So yes, rail shooters are very much a valid means to adequately compare the accuracy and efficiency of IR against analog.

And one more thing....ever notice how dual analog set ups have all that aiming assist added but IR doesn't?   There's a reason for that.

We get it, you like DA and don't want to invest any time into gaining the dexterity required for good IR controls.   And that's fine.  But no need to be hostile towards IR when the debate is years old, dead and burried now.

Thank you for just calling us, and millions of other highly skilled gamers,  all casuals and thereby losing a lot of respect in this debate.

Bolded: I'm saying that "Hardcore" PFS players stay away from motion controls for a reason.

Italics: Exactly.

Underlined: I never denied that motion controls are more accurate on-screen.

Last part: Not much to add, except that I was never hostile. Just expressing my opinion mixed with some facts.

I agree with everything the OP wrote.

Just notice that there is no black and white when it comes to casual and hardcore players. My statement was very fluid.

Edit: And thank you for implying that all casual players are not skilled.

Don't come with that casual bullshit. Pull those statistics out of your ass and show them to me. Many core gamers prefer IR pointer to dual analog. Don't take your personal preference and try to apply it to all core gamers.

I'm just going to give reasons why IR pointer is superior to dual anlog for shooters and see what proper counter-argument you can come up with.

Analogs were created for moving around in a 3D space, not for precise aiming. This is why devs have had to design shooting games around it's limitations and come up with design choices such as  "sticky aiming" "bullet magnetism," "bullet curving," "snap-to aiming", etc.

Pointers on the other hand are were  made for aiming. They are more intuitive, accurate and faster.

Mouse > IR Pointer >> Gyro Pointer >>>>>> Analog stick for aiming. FACT.

Dual analogs have been around for over 2 gens now so it natural that there are players who are more comfortable with it for shooting or haven't bothered to give an alternative a try, but don't fool yourself. Dual analog is the inferior and archaic option for shooting games.

See what I did there ? *insert troll face*
(not serious)

btw. don't have Goldeneye and CoD WaW aim assist ? Not really sure but Google mentions something (maybe only for the classic controller idk)