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amp316 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Marks said:


Oh okay fair enough, just a misunderstanding then. 

Yeah I don't really know why America is so Christian. The founding fathers were Deists, not Catholics or Protestants. So I see why Americans all believe in God but I don't get why they're all religious like this. 


Yeah, me neither. My country used to be very christian too, so I guess it will fade away over there eventually as well.

Honestly, America isn't as religous as you guys think.  It's just that a very small group of people are very vocal.  I would also have to tell you that most American Christians aren't looking in a peanut butter jar for life.  It's a shame that guys like the one in the video make Americans and look stupid. 


The president is very vocal with his religion as well.

 

Luckily though, I am aware of all americans feeling ashamed by this video. And I feel sorry for them.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
amp316 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Marks said:


Oh okay fair enough, just a misunderstanding then. 

Yeah I don't really know why America is so Christian. The founding fathers were Deists, not Catholics or Protestants. So I see why Americans all believe in God but I don't get why they're all religious like this. 


Yeah, me neither. My country used to be very christian too, so I guess it will fade away over there eventually as well.

Honestly, America isn't as religous as you guys think.  It's just that a very small group of people are very vocal.  I would also have to tell you that most American Christians aren't looking in a peanut butter jar for life.  It's a shame that guys like the one in the video make Americans and look stupid. 


The president is very vocal with his religion as well.

 

Luckily though, I am aware of all americans feeling ashamed by this video. And I feel sorry for them.

Not the current president.  You're talking about that Bush guy that I can't stand.  :p



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amp316 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
amp316 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Marks said:


Oh okay fair enough, just a misunderstanding then. 

Yeah I don't really know why America is so Christian. The founding fathers were Deists, not Catholics or Protestants. So I see why Americans all believe in God but I don't get why they're all religious like this. 


Yeah, me neither. My country used to be very christian too, so I guess it will fade away over there eventually as well.

Honestly, America isn't as religous as you guys think.  It's just that a very small group of people are very vocal.  I would also have to tell you that most American Christians aren't looking in a peanut butter jar for life.  It's a shame that guys like the one in the video make Americans and look stupid. 


The president is very vocal with his religion as well.

 

Luckily though, I am aware of all americans feeling ashamed by this video. And I feel sorry for them.

Not the current president.  You're talking about that Bush guy that I can't stand.  :p


Amen to that



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
amp316 said:
Trust me.  Most average Americans aren't anything like this idiot.  Maybe people think that we open up a jar of Skippy looking to see if there is a peanut butter monster, but most of us don't.  Honest.

 


Well... Yeah, I know and I do trust you. I just strongly dislike religion overall I guess. Religion should never be used to make a political-, or in this case: Factual point, but American presidents and their minions are experts at doing just that.

I mean, I've even heard that certain schools don't teach kids about evolution, but instead teach them that God made the Earth and all its inhabitants and that's final. I hope that's not true but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was. I feel sorry for pretty much anyone born outside of the nordic countries + UK + Germany plus a few more countries to be honest. If someone want to believe in a religion then that's fine as long as they're not forced/made to believe it since childhood. Proven facts should go before story books when teaching in schools and by parents.

Oh well... This will never be a perfect world.

We aren't allowed to even talk about it anymore. We aren't allowed to be taught it either because people take "offense" to it. We have never been taught about Religion in school. You go to Church to be taught about that. Plus, no one forces you to believe in anything. If they do, ignore them, it's your life make the decisions, good or bad, you want. Don't think America is just full of Religious "nuts." It's not.



NintendoPie said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
amp316 said:
Trust me.  Most average Americans aren't anything like this idiot.  Maybe people think that we open up a jar of Skippy looking to see if there is a peanut butter monster, but most of us don't.  Honest.

 


Well... Yeah, I know and I do trust you. I just strongly dislike religion overall I guess. Religion should never be used to make a political-, or in this case: Factual point, but American presidents and their minions are experts at doing just that.

I mean, I've even heard that certain schools don't teach kids about evolution, but instead teach them that God made the Earth and all its inhabitants and that's final. I hope that's not true but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was. I feel sorry for pretty much anyone born outside of the nordic countries + UK + Germany plus a few more countries to be honest. If someone want to believe in a religion then that's fine as long as they're not forced/made to believe it since childhood. Proven facts should go before story books when teaching in schools and by parents.

Oh well... This will never be a perfect world.

We aren't allowed to even talk about it anymore. We aren't allowed to be taught it either because people take "offense" to it. We have never been taught about Religion in school. You go to Church to be taught about that. Plus, no one forces you to believe in anything. If they do, ignore them, it's your life make the decisions, good or bad, you want. Don't think America is just full of Religious "nuts." It's not.


I never said America is just full of nuts, just that christian fanatics are more common there than most places. And you can't say that "We have never been taught about Religion in school" as it's obviously different beween each state, and I was just talking about one single example.

By the way, who makes the kids go to church? The kids themselves? Nope, their parents makes them go there. They never made a choice to be christian since they acted by instinct and trusted their parents who said that God created the universe and everything in the Bible is truth no matter how little sense it makes etc, etc...

Just to be clear: I definitely don't think that you or any other christian is stupid. After all, I'm a determinist, so I'd consider all of you to be unlucky (or actually: lucky, if you'd still end up enjoying life more than I do).



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
NintendoPie said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
amp316 said:
Trust me.  Most average Americans aren't anything like this idiot.  Maybe people think that we open up a jar of Skippy looking to see if there is a peanut butter monster, but most of us don't.  Honest.

 


Well... Yeah, I know and I do trust you. I just strongly dislike religion overall I guess. Religion should never be used to make a political-, or in this case: Factual point, but American presidents and their minions are experts at doing just that.

I mean, I've even heard that certain schools don't teach kids about evolution, but instead teach them that God made the Earth and all its inhabitants and that's final. I hope that's not true but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was. I feel sorry for pretty much anyone born outside of the nordic countries + UK + Germany plus a few more countries to be honest. If someone want to believe in a religion then that's fine as long as they're not forced/made to believe it since childhood. Proven facts should go before story books when teaching in schools and by parents.

Oh well... This will never be a perfect world.

We aren't allowed to even talk about it anymore. We aren't allowed to be taught it either because people take "offense" to it. We have never been taught about Religion in school. You go to Church to be taught about that. Plus, no one forces you to believe in anything. If they do, ignore them, it's your life make the decisions, good or bad, you want. Don't think America is just full of Religious "nuts." It's not.


I never said America is just full of nuts, just that christian fanatics are more common there than most places. And you can't say that "We have never been taught about Religion in school" as it's obviously different beween each state, and I was just talking about one single example.

By the way, who makes the kids go to church? The kids themselves? Nope, their parents makes them go there. They never made a choice to be christian since they acted by instinct and trusted their parents who said that God created the universe and everything in the Bible is truth no matter how little sense it makes etc, etc...

Just to be clear: I definitely don't think that you or any other christian is stupid. After all, I'm a determinist, so I'd consider all of you to be unlucky (or actually: lucky, if you'd still end up enjoying life more than I do).

It depends on the Parents, just with everything else. Parents "force" you to eat somewhere, play somewhere, shop somewhere. They're parents that is what they do. Parents can't force you to like or believe something though. That is your decision.

I was targeting that last sentence not necessarily at you but everyone who has said/thinks that.





NintendoPie said:

It depends on the Parents, just with everything else. Parents "force" you to eat somewhere, play somewhere, shop somewhere. They're parents that is what they do. Parents can't force you to like or believe something though. That is your decision.

I was targeting that last sentence not necessarily at you but everyone who has said/thinks that.


About that last part, sorry I missed that.

 

While parent don't usually force you to have an opinion they still shape a large part of your opinions as babies always observe and mimic what they do, even in later years, and even if they don't notice that they do. For instance:

- One parent let their kid go to church, then onwards to a catholic school later on.

- Another parent never teach a kid a single thing about any religion, but still put it in a catholic school.

Which side will most likely end up christian if this test is repeated with several kids?

 

My point: Parents shape their kids a lot. And even if they said that it's up to their child to decide about their belief in the future it's still their opinion that will affect the child the most.



drkohler said:
This video proves that what is inside the jar is far more intelligent than what opened it


Well... at least we now know that something less inteligent than a crushed/grinded peanut works in his had ;P