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NotStan said:
lestatdark said:
NotStan said:
lestatdark said:
Infiltrators may be god-like on MP, but a well played Asari Vanguard can kick a ton of ass.

I did my best run with her (at level 10), doing 45K points (10K+ over the second place) and survived all 10 rounds with nigh a scratch.

What challenge was it? From my personal experience, drells and asari seem to have barely any hp/shields and I always seem to get downed :

I'm doing Bronze for now, since i'm still getting the hang of the MP.

It was in the Krogan base map against Reaper enemies. You're right about them not having much HP&Barriers, but the trick of playing them correctly (to avoid damage) is getting Biotic Charge to fully regen your barriers after each use and getting Lift Grenade with a larger area. You use the Charge into the middle of a group, immediatly use Lift Grenade and Statis anyone who's not lifted. Rinse, later, repeat. 

With only a Shotgun equipped, you have +105% power recharge time, so I can use a Charge every 3,2 seconds.

Trust me, at silver and gold, it's nigh on impossible to play with such small shield/health. On bronze its more than manageable, but nowhere as fun. I have Mantis and Avenger X equipped, my recharge is at 90% ^^

Actually just did a Silver with my Vanguard (on that satellite dish area) against cerberus, got 65K points and got through all 10 waves without dying. I have now a +170% recharge time (with a Disciple IV) and 3 Lift Grenades. 

Managed to kill 2 Phantoms in a triple LG spam and Statis-ed another for an easy headshot kill afterwards. This class is brutal!



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Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.



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lestatdark said:

 

Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.

 

Half the denizens of the internet have concluded that Shepard is undergoing indoctrination in the ending, and only the Destroy option rejects the indoctrination - but even that's metaphorical. The other half of the internet has latched onto this theory as being essentially true, though hope for ending DLC varies from person to person.



Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:

 

Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.

 

Half the denizens of the internet have concluded that Shepard is undergoing indoctrination in the ending, and only the Destroy option rejects the indoctrination - but even that's metaphorical. The other half of the internet has latched onto this theory as being essentially true, though hope for ending DLC varies from person to person.

I've read the indoctrination theories and they do seem to have some fair points. Indoctrination or not, it is a fact that they made Shepard to be alive at the end of the Destroy ending and that the enviroment in which he seems to be alive has to be rubble from the impact of Harbinger's laser as there's no way that he could have survived a potential destruction of the Citadel, if the endings really happened. 



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lestatdark said:
Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:

 

Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.

 

Half the denizens of the internet have concluded that Shepard is undergoing indoctrination in the ending, and only the Destroy option rejects the indoctrination - but even that's metaphorical. The other half of the internet has latched onto this theory as being essentially true, though hope for ending DLC varies from person to person.

I've read the indoctrination theories and they do seem to have some fair points. Indoctrination or not, it is a fact that they made Shepard to be alive at the end of the Destroy ending and that the enviroment in which he seems to be alive has to be rubble from the impact of Harbinger's laser as there's no way that he could have survived a potential destruction of the Citadel, if the endings really happened. 

As I understand it, it is one of those endings that is supposed to be interupted however the mind wants to. I call it the writers could not come up with a better ending so they leave it for us to fill in the blanks ending. Hopefully this is eventually cured with a real ending. Also am I the only one that chose the middle path, being the only good choice. (All three choices aren't great, but I felt the middle to be the good one.)

Also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes, as I can't see what I wrote when using the spoiler tags. 



 

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noname2200 said:
Khuutra said:

I have to admit I'm kind of disappointed nobody is talking about, like, strategies and gameplay and stuff. That's the part I've always found more interesting.

I played as an engineer, because it was such a weak class in the first game and I wanted a challenge in this one.

Holy shit. Engineers >>> Everything else. Most fights don't last more than fifteen seconds, including the bigger enemies.

Sal.Paradise said:

Ah ok, I see you haven't got to the full plot yet, I wont spoil that for you. Let me just say though, the description of the reapers from that holographic encounter with sovereign in ME1 (possibly my favourite scene in the whole franchise) is thrown out the window. 

Nonsense. The entirety of his speech there, as well as the Reaper you take down on Rannoch, are completely on point. They say their goals and motivations are beyond our understanding. They are completely correct.

Sorry, is this sarcasm? It has to be sarcasm.



Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:

 

Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.

 

Half the denizens of the internet have concluded that Shepard is undergoing indoctrination in the ending, and only the Destroy option rejects the indoctrination - but even that's metaphorical. The other half of the internet has latched onto this theory as being essentially true, though hope for ending DLC varies from person to person.

I've read the indoctrination theories and they do seem to have some fair points. Indoctrination or not, it is a fact that they made Shepard to be alive at the end of the Destroy ending and that the enviroment in which he seems to be alive has to be rubble from the impact of Harbinger's laser as there's no way that he could have survived a potential destruction of the Citadel, if the endings really happened. 

As I understand it, it is one of those endings that is supposed to be interupted however the mind wants to. I call it the writers could not come up with a better ending so they leave it for us to fill in the blanks ending. Hopefully this is eventually cured with a real ending. Also am I the only one that chose the middle path, being the only good choice. (All three choices aren't great, but I felt the middle to be the good one.)

Also sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes, as I can't see what I wrote when using the spoiler tags. 

You might have a point there. At this moment, i'm still processing the ending, to see if I missed anything. It could also be that they did this (the endings as they are) just to mess with us. I won't condone them if they actually did it just to get us to pay for an "ending" DLC, but it could also be that the leaked script forced their hand into doing this.

By the way, you can just write your message and then put spoiler tags over it by selecting the paragraf you want and choosing Spoilers in the Styles section afterwards.



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lestatdark said:

 

Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.

 

Hopefully, Bioware pick up that interpratation and develop it to give us a better/proper ending. Leaving things open to interpretation doesn't bother me, but just about everything else regarding the ending did.

Rather they got rid on the child apparation/spirit of the citadel and instead replaced it with an exchange with Harbinger. Why Harbinger only made one cameo appearnace in the whole game does not make sense, especially seeing as he seems to be the head-reaper. Also the fate of the Normandy really needs altering. Could not understand why Liara emerged unscathed from the Normandy's wreakage, seeing as she was with me when Shepard got blasted by Harbinger. Can think of several better fates for the Normandy and its crew depending on your ME2 ship upgrades and galactic readiness. Other thign that i felt really needed changing/explaining was why the Normandy was in the middle of a Mass Relay jump when the Crucible went off, regardless of how the battle was going. Was Joker deserting or was it in retreat, and if so why???!!!

Also have seen some people saying they would be happy to pay for DLC that improves the ending. Doesn't that set an even worse predicent for EA to exploit: Releasing games with shoddy endings and then charging people for a better one that (first time I going to say this) should have been there in the first place! If the majority of players were enraged by From Ashes then how would they accept this? I might not be the best person to say this as I did actually buy From Ashes but at the very least any ending DLC should be free for Online Pass owners.



SecondWar said:
lestatdark said:

 

Having finished the game myself, I have to say that the entire ending sequence just felt "off".

Not because it created more questions than it answered, but because a lot of things didn't add up. I have a strong belief that we haven't seen the end of Shepard, especially after seeing that he's still alive at the end of the Destroy ending. But he was alive in the midst of a pile of impact rubble, and that leaves a very, very large room for interpretation. My interpretation? He's still alive after Harbinger's laser hit him and that whole sequence happened in his head.

Got to process this a bit more, but the ending didn't made me angry, sad or pissed off. On the other hand, it left me curious, extremely curious as to what's going to be Bioware's handling of the game in the future months.

 

Hopefully, Bioware pick up that interpratation and develop it to give us a better/proper ending. Leaving things open to interpretation doesn't bother me, but just about everything else regarding the ending did.

Rather they got rid on the child apparation/spirit of the citadel and instead replaced it with an exchange with Harbinger. Why Harbinger only made one cameo appearnace in the whole game does not make sense, especially seeing as he seems to be the head-reaper. Also the fate of the Normandy really needs altering. Could not understand why Liara emerged unscathed from the Normandy's wreakage, seeing as she was with me when Shepard got blasted by Harbinger. Can think of several better fates for the Normandy and its crew depending on your ME2 ship upgrades and galactic readiness. Other thign that i felt really needed changing/explaining was why the Normandy was in the middle of a Mass Relay jump when the Crucible went off, regardless of how the battle was going. Was Joker deserting or was it in retreat, and if so why???!!!

 Although have seen some people saying they would be happy to pay for DLC that improves the ending. Doesn't that set an even worse predicent for EA to exploit: Releasing games with shoddy endings and they charging people for a better one that (first time I going to say this) should have been there in the first place! If the majority of players were enraged by From Ashes then how would they accept this? I might not be the best person to say this as I did actually buy From Ashes but at the very least any ending DLC should be free for Online Pass owners.

See, that's one of the things that it seemed "off" for me in the ending. It's like there was a large time frame of events that it's just not there. Also, I don't think that the Normandy was doing a mass effect jump, rather it was flying at FTL speeds trying to out-run that massive shockwave (since everything surrounding the Normady was blue-shifted, just as it's explained in FTL travel

I agree that if they do a "True" ending DLC it should be free. As I said, they might have had a forced change of plans, but that still does not justify pulling this money-grubbing tactic, even if that was not their original intention. Eventually, if they do release such a DLC, I'll end up getting it (I got all the DLCs for previous ME games) and one could argue that Arrival was the true ending of ME2 (at least the actual bridge between ME2 and ME3, instead of just the Collector's base blowing up/being sterilized, but it will give me a lot of second doubts whether or not I will follow a Bioware/EA future new IP.



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Rush-finished the game to see what all the fuss was about - it wasn't that bad. I think likely I was expecting something much worse due to the bunch of trolls making it their mission to downplay it as much as possible, so I wasn't anywhere as disappointed as I could have been.



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