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Viper1 on 15 February 2012
Barozi said:
Karanlos said:

How much did the Xbox cost at release? How much did Microsoft loose on every console sold? It has just started making a profit and they probably don't want to go down that way again. Doesn't matter how much the x1900 cost they lost loads of money on Xbox 360 at launch. Take that into account and add the cost of a Kinect 2.0 which they will want to push with the console.

The power consumption and heat will be a major factor next gen and the 79xx series is way to power hungry and warm to go into a console.

You're at least 3 years late bro.
They never made a huge loss. Only due to RROD.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20061120132150.html

What do you mean they never took a huge loss aside from RRoD?   You've not followed their fiscal year financials much, have you?

Go read their investor relations web site for their quarterly and annual reports.



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Millenium on 15 February 2012

X360 (As indicated by the EED reports) has been profitable since 2008/2009, so yeah 3 years.



Play4Fun on 15 February 2012

People expecting a high end 7970 or 7950 are dreaming or ignoring reality.

A mid-end 7000 series is what we would get.



Viper1 on 15 February 2012
Millenium said:
X360 (As indicated by the EED reports) has been profitable since 2008/2009, so yeah 3 years.

Indeed they have but the only problem with it all is that we actually can't be 100% sure how much the X360 attributes to those profits.

The X360 belongs to their Entertainment and Devices Division.   This division is also home to Wiindows CE, Windows Phone, MSN TV, Zune and some other products.   For the sake of argument, MS could take a $100 million loss on the X360 but make $300 million on the other products and still report a $200 million profit.  Of course that works on the flip side as well.   X360 could make the profits, the other products take losses and we'd never really know how that is broken down per products line.

Sony now does the same thing with their Consumer Products & Services Division that now houses the PS3 along with their consumer electronics devices like TV's, stereos and cameras.



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Dr.Grass on 15 February 2012
Khuutra said:
usrevenge said:
a x10 increase over 360 wouldn't be surprising to me for next gen. when consoles are released they are usually on par with high end PCs with the exception of nintendo consoles. I don't think games will look as good as the demo simply because the development cost would most likely be huge with the amount of work to make a game like that.
however PC quality will come to console easy.

You - you realize that the Wii is the only Nintendo console, out of five of them, that wasn't seriously pushing the cutting edge of graphics tech when it came out?


Almost everyone is under the above assumption. It's quite sad really.

I often have to physically show people Metroid:Prime or Rogue Squadron (A FRIGGIN LAUNCH GAME) to get them to shut the F^&* up. It's driving me a little crazy.

Incredible how quicly human beings interpolate the past with their experience of the present.



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Barozi on 15 February 2012
Viper1 said:
Millenium said:
X360 (As indicated by the EED reports) has been profitable since 2008/2009, so yeah 3 years.

Indeed they have but the only problem with it all is that we actually can't be 100% sure how much the X360 attributes to those profits.

The X360 belongs to their Entertainment and Devices Division.   This division is also home to Wiindows CE, Windows Phone, MSN TV, Zune and some other products.   For the sake of argument, MS could take a $100 million loss on the X360 but make $300 million on the other products and still report a $200 million profit.  Of course that works on the flip side as well.   X360 could make the profits, the other products take losses and we'd never really know how that is broken down per products line.

Sony now does the same thing with their Consumer Products & Services Division that now houses the PS3 along with their consumer electronics devices like TV's, stereos and cameras.

Yeah because everything in that devision are huge breakout hits.....seriously....

I'm just saying that 360 is overall profitable even with the $2b they spent on RROD. So they can EASILY spent the same amount of money, perhaps even more on hardware parts. (or rather for making sure that RROD will not happen again)



Viper1 on 15 February 2012
Barozi said:
Viper1 said:
Millenium said:
X360 (As indicated by the EED reports) has been profitable since 2008/2009, so yeah 3 years.

Indeed they have but the only problem with it all is that we actually can't be 100% sure how much the X360 attributes to those profits.

The X360 belongs to their Entertainment and Devices Division.   This division is also home to Wiindows CE, Windows Phone, MSN TV, Zune and some other products.   For the sake of argument, MS could take a $100 million loss on the X360 but make $300 million on the other products and still report a $200 million profit.  Of course that works on the flip side as well.   X360 could make the profits, the other products take losses and we'd never really know how that is broken down per products line.

Sony now does the same thing with their Consumer Products & Services Division that now houses the PS3 along with their consumer electronics devices like TV's, stereos and cameras.

Yeah because everything in that devision are huge breakout hits.....seriously....

I'm just saying that 360 is overall profitable even with the $2b they spent on RROD. So they can EASILY spent the same amount of money, perhaps even more on hardware parts. (or rather for making sure that RROD will not happen again)

It was $1.06 billion, not $2 billion and it was written down meaning they had tax breaks to mitigate the actual economic impact.  The charge was applied to their 4th quarter FY 2007 and only accounted for, again, $1.06 billion of the $1.892 billion loss for the FY.  So they still had a loss of $832 million that year when you remove the RRoD warranty charge.



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crissindahouse on 18 February 2012
Viper1 said:
Barozi said:
Viper1 said:
Millenium said:
X360 (As indicated by the EED reports) has been profitable since 2008/2009, so yeah 3 years.

Indeed they have but the only problem with it all is that we actually can't be 100% sure how much the X360 attributes to those profits.

The X360 belongs to their Entertainment and Devices Division.   This division is also home to Wiindows CE, Windows Phone, MSN TV, Zune and some other products.   For the sake of argument, MS could take a $100 million loss on the X360 but make $300 million on the other products and still report a $200 million profit.  Of course that works on the flip side as well.   X360 could make the profits, the other products take losses and we'd never really know how that is broken down per products line.

Sony now does the same thing with their Consumer Products & Services Division that now houses the PS3 along with their consumer electronics devices like TV's, stereos and cameras.

Yeah because everything in that devision are huge breakout hits.....seriously....

I'm just saying that 360 is overall profitable even with the $2b they spent on RROD. So they can EASILY spent the same amount of money, perhaps even more on hardware parts. (or rather for making sure that RROD will not happen again)

It was $1.06 billion, not $2 billion and it was written down meaning they had tax breaks to mitigate the actual economic impact.  The charge was applied to their 4th quarter FY 2007 and only accounted for, again, $1.06 billion of the $1.892 billion loss for the FY.  So they still had a loss of $832 million that year when you remove the RRoD warranty charge.

...(i read something wrong)



Viper1 on 18 February 2012
crissindahouse said:
Viper1 said:

It was $1.06 billion, not $2 billion and it was written down meaning they had tax breaks to mitigate the actual economic impact.  The charge was applied to their 4th quarter FY 2007 and only accounted for, again, $1.06 billion of the $1.892 billion loss for the FY.  So they still had a loss of $832 million that year when you remove the RRoD warranty charge.

...(i read something wrong)

We all do soemtimes.  If we didn't, we'd have half the debate and therefore half the fun.



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