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blkfish92 said:
badgenome said:
blkfish92 said:
They SUK at advertising their games, it sickens me >.>

At least they do a better job advertising their games than they have advertising the Vita. Credit where credit's due.


No the Vita actually has decent ads, the Taco Bell thing was wise.

It may have been wise on Sony part. But currently it looks like Taco Bell and it's advertising partner isn't handling things well though.

http://kotaku.com/5884142/this-taco-bell-playstation-vita-contest-seems-a-little-weird



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RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

Yes but I was asking what you would want to happen. But I think the answer is obvious (you're with Khuutra) so you can skip that one.

I think it's very sad. My last hope for next gen to be graphically powerful and hardcore is Sony to be bold and try the expensive hardware route again even if it's against all odds.

Or you could finally come back to your senses and play PC games on the PC again where they are not only graphically superior, but also offer stuff like mods.

Don't remind me. 1080p graphics! Moooooooooods!!



RolStoppable said:

Or you could finally come back to your senses and play PC games on the PC again where they are not only graphically superior, but also offer stuff like mods.


I never left. :)

The thing that probably hits Sony franchises hard is that there game brands aren't household names. Not on the level of Mario or Halo or Call of Duty at any rate.
I can ask any of my real-life friends what Uncharted is and they would have no clue.
Ask them about Halo or Mario? Yep they know it, they might not understand the games, but they have heard of them and they associate that with the respective platforms.

Sony probably doesn't need to cut down on the amount of franchises it has, but just bring out something that will make itself a name and hit hard home that people will associate the PS3 with.




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Here is how it all happened...

Event 0: Nintendo massacres the competition in the 1st party exclusives department, and survives gens 5 & 6 off in-house effort.

Event 1: MS steals 3rd parties from Sony in 7th gen.

Event 2: MS has a few shooter hits on their hands with Halo and Gears of War.

Sony reacts: Mandate all studios to develop exclusive, high-production shooter-style games to compete with MS shooter offerings and counterbalance 3rd party exclusivity disparity, as well as attempt to meet Nintendo by developing new IPs they could own from there on out.

 

The Mistake: Not relatively managing resources. Certain studios should have been mandated to create low-production but high-appeal content so as to spend less money and create smaller-caliber games which were to foster sales and sustain the business. They also threw all their eggs in the nitty-gritty basket (safe an exception or two).

 

Consequence 1: High production costs means chance to waste resources on features with low ROI, as well as general non-feasibility of project against a chance of success probability factor.

Consequence 2: Less money for marketing = lower sales and smaller ROI, as well as consumer confusion.

Consequence 3: Theme cannibalism. Games like Killzone and Resistance ate each other up due to offering a very similar experience and theme.

The Bottom Line: Sony needs to close down certain studios or reduce personel, attempt to meet the same objective of creating new IPs for their IP bank, but offering more appealing experiences with smaller production value. They need to diversify and offer experiences that are very fresh, not simply new. They also need to look into creating compelling content off a low production cost setup. Their sales expectations should diminish for certain types of content, in that proper resource allocation can ensue. Lastly, their marketing should be efficient and accurate, if they have any more money to do so.

My, what happened to the marketing juggernaught we had in the PS1 era? Crash Bandicoot was not only a good game, but it was massively marketed. So was Final Fantasy VII, and it was a 3rd party game (massively funded by Sony mind you)!



BlkPaladin said:
blkfish92 said:
badgenome said:
blkfish92 said:
They SUK at advertising their games, it sickens me >.>

At least they do a better job advertising their games than they have advertising the Vita. Credit where credit's due.


No the Vita actually has decent ads, the Taco Bell thing was wise.

It may have been wise on Sony part. But currently it looks like Taco Bell and it's advertising partner isn't handling things well though.

http://kotaku.com/5884142/this-taco-bell-playstation-vita-contest-seems-a-little-weird


Sounds like a sleasy operation, may be bad...



           

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DirtyP2002 said:
osamanobama said:
sales2099 said:
Ha....ha. Id like to say I told you so.

Having a ton of exclusives every year with therefore thin spread marketing per game will lead to sales of each game not giving a proper return on investment. Without proper awareness, blockbusters will be rare and therefore will fade in the memories of the general gaming public within a year.

Thats why MS releases a few exclusives and markets the crap out of them, while releasing new games on lower-risk avenues like XBLA where it doesnt really matter if they flop or not.

and thats good for gamers, how?

why does it matter at all how well the games are selling, if they are good.

are you more statisfied as a gamer to now that, sure you only had 1 or 2 games this year, but at least the company that published them is making alot of money. i think most people just care if there are a lot of good games. (which is why i bought the ps3 because there are a lot of games, with a lot of quality, i didnt buy  a PS3 because i was hoping sony would make billions of dollars. and really unless you own stock in the company, why should you care.

how does that benefit the gamer? i think games benefit the gamer, dont you?


Let me explain:

We have to face the fact that the gaming market, especially for core games, is oversaturated, just with all the multiplats. That is the first thing you have to accept.

Games like Skyrim, Call of Duty, Battlefield 3, Crysis 2, Dragon Age 2, Dead Space 2, Portal 2, DiRT 3, Homefront, Batman, Saints Row The third, Dead Island, Rage, Deus Ex, Duke Nukem Forever, Warhammer, Goldeneye reloaded, Red Faction Armageddon,  Fear 3, Dark Souls, Lord of the rings, Dungeon Siege II, Mortal Kombat etc etc etc are all multiplat core games that released last year. You have to be nuts to demand more games, because there is nothing to play.

So the competition Sony puts their titles in is huge and most of the time they are not doing that good. That means Sony is losing money with these titles in a pretty big way. Sure a hit like uncharted makes a lot of money, but you have games like Resistance or inFamous2 ruining the fun. Sony actually acquired Sucker Punch which has cost them millions on top of that.

Now Sony are facing very hard times for their financial situation. This will affect further investments in the Playsation product family by Sony. Of course external investors will double check any investment in the gaming industry so every developer or publisher might have some trouble to get their money. Ask THQ.

 

In a word: Sony is pushing products into an oversaturated market. That doesn't help anyone, neither the market nor Sony themselves.

so having less games, less variety, and having more of the same is good for gamers!

good to know, next time im in the market i will be buying the console with which i think there will be the least amount of games for.

silly me, all this time i thought having the most options, in which games to buy was a good thing for me.



sales2099 said:
osamanobama said:
Jexy said:
osamanobama said:
sales2099 said:
Ha....ha. Id like to say I told you so.

Having a ton of exclusives every year with therefore thin spread marketing per game will lead to sales of each game not giving a proper return on investment. Without proper awareness, blockbusters will be rare and therefore will fade in the memories of the general gaming public within a year.

Thats why MS releases a few exclusives and markets the crap out of them, while releasing new games on lower-risk avenues like XBLA where it doesnt really matter if they flop or not.

and thats good for gamers, how?

why does it matter at all how well the games are selling, if they are good.

are you more statisfied as a gamer to now that, sure you only had 1 or 2 games this year, but at least the company that published them is making alot of money. i think most people just care if there are a lot of good games. (which is why i bought the ps3 because there are a lot of games, with a lot of quality, i didnt buy  a PS3 because i was hoping sony would make billions of dollars. and really unless you own stock in the company, why should you care.

how does that benefit the gamer? i think games benefit the gamer, dont you?

It benefits the gamer in that there will continue to be more games from them.  You won't get any new games from a company that no longer can afford to make them or ceases to exist at all.  However, there needs to be a happy medium.  Like I said in previous posts, they can't keep churning out crap like the most recent socom games.  They aren't good, get bad reviews, bad word of mouth, and don't sell, yet cost lots of money.  Microsoft however, needs more exclusives than just Halo, Gears, Forza, and Fable. 

Remember, it isn't just the sales and the company that suffers, it's the quality of games, and Sony admitted that.  Production budgets and values get cut when you spread yourself too thin.  The consumer doesn't get as quality of a game.  I see it similar to how the government needs to cut back on spending by eliminating the crap.  That doesn't mean I want the government, or gaming companies, to not take risks on new technologies or new games.  It just means I don't want them spending money on unnecessary things.  Too many of Sony's games end up stuck in limbo for one reason or another, which just sucks away money from them with no return on it, and no game ever being made.  They need to either do it, or don't do it.  But they won't be around for much longer at this rate, thus they will be unable to supply us as consumers with awesome games. 

so 1 (2 if you count ALL 4 One) game out of... what 10. all the other games were of superb quality.

and it doesnt matter to the gamer, until the company ceases to make games. what happens in the mean time is of no concern, its up to the company to be profitable, and if it takes making less games, milking some more like other companies do to become profitable, thats still not good for the gamer.

games are good for the gamer. and Sony has been churning out tons of very high quality exclusives, with 1 or 2 duds. thats good for the gamer, if they reduce those games, its bad. sure i want Sony to do good, but if it comes at the expense of games, then i will be moving to which ever company provides me those games. i dont buy the system so the company makes profit, i buy the system for the games.

and the only game that i regret buying from Sony was Socom 4, and i bought that because of the move support ( and perhaps the little fanboy in me), all the other games i bought from Sony either met my expectations or vastly exceeded them.

So really in no way is it good for the gamer, for a company to do what Microsoft does.

if i worked for Microsoft or had their stock, i would love it, but i dont. if i worked for Sony or owned their stock, i would be pisses, but i dont. i own their game system, i own it to play games, not to profit Sony.

"thats still not good for the gamer" "games are good for the gamer"......Please stop sounding like an idealist. Start being a realist. 

This is a business and the satisfaction of you, the gamer, ultimately depends on the sustainability of the company that provides them. Most Sony exclusives undersell to similar multiplats and expectations, not giving a proper return on investment. Do you care as a gamer? Offcourse not (which is kinda selfish). But with lower then expected sales comes the greater possibility that you won't see a sequel or the game gets more casual to get more sales. With greater marketing per exclusive, you will actually get a bigger following and the game mechanics won't be compromised to cater to the mass market when the sequel is announced. 

You, the "exclusive nut", which isnt an insult, are a minority. Outside the internet, most 360/PS3 gamers are really content with 3rd party offerings. It is the blockbuster exclusives that rise above the 3rd party ocean of games. An exclusive with low marketing is just another "meh" title to the masses, and I think Sony is starting to see that. 

So really, from your point of view "and it doesnt matter to the gamer, until the company ceases to make games", you want Sony to just crank out games no matter how much it puts them in the red. This is kinda like what is actually happening now given Sony financials. Really, it shows your part of the problem, asking them to give you games at a cost to the business, thus your part of the ones sucking them dry. 

i a game nut, doesnt matter if its exclusive or multiplat, i will buy it, if its good.

and i will say this, i may not speak for everyone, but i am for myself, and less games will never be good for me.

i bought my PlayStation because I wanted games, lots of them. i would have bought a different system if i cared for a few games that sold a lot. that doesnt bring me joy, knowing the 2 games i bought this year sold 10 million or whatever. what does bring me joy, is the 9 or so Games i bought this year



osamanobama said:
DirtyP2002 said:
osamanobama said:
sales2099 said:
Ha....ha. Id like to say I told you so.

Having a ton of exclusives every year with therefore thin spread marketing per game will lead to sales of each game not giving a proper return on investment. Without proper awareness, blockbusters will be rare and therefore will fade in the memories of the general gaming public within a year.

Thats why MS releases a few exclusives and markets the crap out of them, while releasing new games on lower-risk avenues like XBLA where it doesnt really matter if they flop or not.

and thats good for gamers, how?

why does it matter at all how well the games are selling, if they are good.

are you more statisfied as a gamer to now that, sure you only had 1 or 2 games this year, but at least the company that published them is making alot of money. i think most people just care if there are a lot of good games. (which is why i bought the ps3 because there are a lot of games, with a lot of quality, i didnt buy  a PS3 because i was hoping sony would make billions of dollars. and really unless you own stock in the company, why should you care.

how does that benefit the gamer? i think games benefit the gamer, dont you?


Let me explain:

We have to face the fact that the gaming market, especially for core games, is oversaturated, just with all the multiplats. That is the first thing you have to accept.

Games like Skyrim, Call of Duty, Battlefield 3, Crysis 2, Dragon Age 2, Dead Space 2, Portal 2, DiRT 3, Homefront, Batman, Saints Row The third, Dead Island, Rage, Deus Ex, Duke Nukem Forever, Warhammer, Goldeneye reloaded, Red Faction Armageddon,  Fear 3, Dark Souls, Lord of the rings, Dungeon Siege II, Mortal Kombat etc etc etc are all multiplat core games that released last year. You have to be nuts to demand more games, because there is nothing to play.

So the competition Sony puts their titles in is huge and most of the time they are not doing that good. That means Sony is losing money with these titles in a pretty big way. Sure a hit like uncharted makes a lot of money, but you have games like Resistance or inFamous2 ruining the fun. Sony actually acquired Sucker Punch which has cost them millions on top of that.

Now Sony are facing very hard times for their financial situation. This will affect further investments in the Playsation product family by Sony. Of course external investors will double check any investment in the gaming industry so every developer or publisher might have some trouble to get their money. Ask THQ.

 

In a word: Sony is pushing products into an oversaturated market. That doesn't help anyone, neither the market nor Sony themselves.

so having less games, less variety, and having more of the same is good for gamers!

good to know, next time im in the market i will be buying the console with which i think there will be the least amount of games for.

silly me, all this time i thought having the most options, in which games to buy was a good thing for me.


So instead of trying to discuss like everyone else you decided to go the troll route. Good job, mate!



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osamanobama said:

so having less games, less variety, and having more of the same is good for gamers!

good to know, next time im in the market i will be buying the console with which i think there will be the least amount of games for.

silly me, all this time i thought having the most options, in which games to buy was a good thing for me.


You're bringing absolutely 0 value to the thread. Even Sony realize that, so they can make more games you enjoy, they need to have business sense, and stop producing games that have low ROI. They also admit they need to restrict certain resource allocation so as to bolster marketing and increase sales so as to stay alive and produce more games they can market.

If resources are allocated in excess of the respective sales met, due to not reaching a market (for marketing and content reasons) or failing to appeal to an audience, then those resources should be better allocated into proper marketing games with higher ROI and reducing the money lost in content the audience is not responding to. That's all that's being said.

Many posters have explained this to you, drop it already.



So here we go again , might as well compare every game to cod and be done with or if your masochistic use wii sports as the benchmark ,the fact is very few games sell as well as those fore mentioned and the fact is take away the big sellers including Sony's own GT and the Sony games look pretty good you could also use this thinking with regards to MS and the rest of it's first party not being on par with the big boys , and that would be wrong because just like most of the Sony games ,games like forza etc are selling great , of course you have to look at certain games that drop off and your studio dynamic , Sony have been doing that but that's always been the nature of the business .



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