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VGKing on 12 February 2012
oniyide said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
maverick40 said:
Keep final fantasy exclusive to Sony platforms. I am sure Square enix will look at the sales of the 360 version and keep versus 13 exclusive to ps3. It doesnt make sense to waste money on porting a game when it will barely sell a million on the 360.

So they wont want $60m in revenue for a port that would cost a fraction of that?

People have gone crazy this gen... by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day, even more so considering they may not be ports and therfore would have much larger spend than this simple port.

Yeah... you're right, almost $200m in revenue for the 360 versions of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 is a waste of everyones time.

Get a grip.

Seriously, out of everyone on this I taught you might have seen sense. The sales for final fantasy on the 360 are pathetic and no where close to the ps3 counterpart. Of course you are not going to admit that but instead pull imaginary numbers out of your arse. For one of the most recognised franchises all of time, square enix should be worried that they couild barely push half a million on the 360. Yeah you are all well and good picking numbers out of your arse about profit but at the end of the day the sales are well below expectations and everyone knows that. 

"by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day"

Again what a terrible comparrison. These franchises such as yakuza or motorstorm are not system sellers like final fantasy and are very niche. They don't have multi million dollar ad campaigns with leona lewis singing the main theme song. When there is such a huge disparity in sales between the ps3 and 360 you have to wonder is the user base really the same.  

Sales on the X360 need not be anywhere near the sales on the PS3 for them to warrant an X360 version. SE will make money out of the X360 version, worry not. A more poignant concern is the fact that FFXIII-2 sold substatially less in Japan on the PS3. This whole debate owes more to PS3 fans being sour 'bout SE acknowledging the X360 as a relevant platform.

Oh really, how did you deduce that?

I've an uncanny talent for noticing what's in plain sight. It's good that you're back, BTW.

It is, thanks. But, what's in plain sight for me is that SE just dropped the ball with FFXIII -> lower sales for the sequel


THIS, who the hell could actually believe that FF13-2 not doing so good has anything to do with it being on 360?? Especially in Japan where they dont care about that system anyway. By that logic FF13 should not have done as well as it did.


Don't know about Japan, but here in America its advertised for Xbox 360 only.
If the same is being done in Japan, then Japanese gamers are probably getting put off by it and think its too western.



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LivingMetal on 12 February 2012
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
cmeese47 said:
So glad to see the non holiday numbers return I was so sick of seeing idiots throwing all there money at 360 and Kinect because they want to dance in front of their tv. Long live the PS3 and its 30k weekly hardware wins.

really...

Xbox360 is doing great, i think most of the sales it's been doing above Ps3 are Kinect sales from kids, see Xbox360 best selling game... (shame)

Microsoft was smart to go after Nintendo's fresh casuals, after they locked the hardcore


They didn't lock me so your statement CANNOT be true.  In fact,the Wii is more hardcore than the Xbox 360.  Tru story, Bro.



oniyide on 12 February 2012
VGKing said:
oniyide said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
maverick40 said:
Keep final fantasy exclusive to Sony platforms. I am sure Square enix will look at the sales of the 360 version and keep versus 13 exclusive to ps3. It doesnt make sense to waste money on porting a game when it will barely sell a million on the 360.

So they wont want $60m in revenue for a port that would cost a fraction of that?

People have gone crazy this gen... by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day, even more so considering they may not be ports and therfore would have much larger spend than this simple port.

Yeah... you're right, almost $200m in revenue for the 360 versions of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 is a waste of everyones time.

Get a grip.

Seriously, out of everyone on this I taught you might have seen sense. The sales for final fantasy on the 360 are pathetic and no where close to the ps3 counterpart. Of course you are not going to admit that but instead pull imaginary numbers out of your arse. For one of the most recognised franchises all of time, square enix should be worried that they couild barely push half a million on the 360. Yeah you are all well and good picking numbers out of your arse about profit but at the end of the day the sales are well below expectations and everyone knows that. 

"by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day"

Again what a terrible comparrison. These franchises such as yakuza or motorstorm are not system sellers like final fantasy and are very niche. They don't have multi million dollar ad campaigns with leona lewis singing the main theme song. When there is such a huge disparity in sales between the ps3 and 360 you have to wonder is the user base really the same.  

Sales on the X360 need not be anywhere near the sales on the PS3 for them to warrant an X360 version. SE will make money out of the X360 version, worry not. A more poignant concern is the fact that FFXIII-2 sold substatially less in Japan on the PS3. This whole debate owes more to PS3 fans being sour 'bout SE acknowledging the X360 as a relevant platform.

Oh really, how did you deduce that?

I've an uncanny talent for noticing what's in plain sight. It's good that you're back, BTW.

It is, thanks. But, what's in plain sight for me is that SE just dropped the ball with FFXIII -> lower sales for the sequel


THIS, who the hell could actually believe that FF13-2 not doing so good has anything to do with it being on 360?? Especially in Japan where they dont care about that system anyway. By that logic FF13 should not have done as well as it did.


Don't know about Japan, but here in America its advertised for Xbox 360 only.
If the same is being done in Japan, then Japanese gamers are probably getting put off by it and think its too western.

And the game still sold better in the US on PS3, so that leads me to believe that the PS3 crowd was just more interested in that game and the MS "exclusive" adverstisment wasnt fooling anyone



cmeese47 on 13 February 2012
LivingMetal said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
cmeese47 said:
So glad to see the non holiday numbers return I was so sick of seeing idiots throwing all there money at 360 and Kinect because they want to dance in front of their tv. Long live the PS3 and its 30k weekly hardware wins.

really...

Xbox360 is doing great, i think most of the sales it's been doing above Ps3 are Kinect sales from kids, see Xbox360 best selling game... (shame)

Microsoft was smart to go after Nintendo's fresh casuals, after they locked the hardcore


They didn't lock me so your statement CANNOT be true.  In fact,the Wii is more hardcore than the Xbox 360.  Tru story, Bro.

When Microsoft had the best games it had the hardcore players on lock but that has not been the case since the launch of kinect now they just got the gullible soccer moms on lock. But yes the Wii is hardcore but unfortunately it also seems to be dead or in a coma til we get some new games. At least the virtual console had so many awesome games to fill in the gap. Kind of what Microsoft does with arcade games and third party support. 



enrageorange on 13 February 2012
VGKing said:
reviniente said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
maverick40 said:
Keep final fantasy exclusive to Sony platforms. I am sure Square enix will look at the sales of the 360 version and keep versus 13 exclusive to ps3. It doesnt make sense to waste money on porting a game when it will barely sell a million on the 360.

So they wont want $60m in revenue for a port that would cost a fraction of that?

People have gone crazy this gen... by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day, even more so considering they may not be ports and therfore would have much larger spend than this simple port.

Yeah... you're right, almost $200m in revenue for the 360 versions of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 is a waste of everyones time.

Get a grip.

Seriously, out of everyone on this I taught you might have seen sense. The sales for final fantasy on the 360 are pathetic and no where close to the ps3 counterpart. Of course you are not going to admit that but instead pull imaginary numbers out of your arse. For one of the most recognised franchises all of time, square enix should be worried that they couild barely push half a million on the 360. Yeah you are all well and good picking numbers out of your arse about profit but at the end of the day the sales are well below expectations and everyone knows that. 

"by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day"

Again what a terrible comparrison. These franchises such as yakuza or motorstorm are not system sellers like final fantasy and are very niche. They don't have multi million dollar ad campaigns with leona lewis singing the main theme song. When there is such a huge disparity in sales between the ps3 and 360 you have to wonder is the user base really the same.  

Sales on the X360 need not be anywhere near the sales on the PS3 for them to warrant an X360 version. SE will make money out of the X360 version, worry not. A more poignant concern is the fact that FFXIII-2 sold substatially less in Japan on the PS3. This whole debate owes more to PS3 fans being sour 'bout SE acknowledging the X360 as a relevant platform.


No, it has to do with how the 360 versions of these game sell like *bleep* and yet they still get exclusive DLC.

Acknowlege the 360 as a platform, just don't piss on the most loyal of your fans. Square Enix announced Verus XIII as an exclusive for PS3 so it better stay that way.

the exclusive dlc i could see you get angry about, even though it is completely trivial dlc. I still can't understand why the actual game exclusivity matters. Its not like the lead platform is going to be on the 360 so I don't understand why making a port on a different platform would bother you. Were you going to buy a 360 if you had known Versus was multiplatform? Because if not, there is absolutely no reason to care whether another platform is getting your precious game. I mean seriously... Is it that important for you to be able to show off Versus XIII in random exclusive list war in the future?

Also as already stated. A million extra copies is a lot... Regardless of the "prestiege" of the game. Square has made plenty of Final Fantasies that never even sold 1mil, so yes they are quite happy that a port passed that mark rather easily. And all that advertisement not only helps the 360 version, but the ps3 version as well. Ofc sales won't match the PS3 version. Japan alone will guarantee that. But in the west xiii sold only 33% more on the ps3. So clearly that are plenty of people who enjoy jrpgs and only own a 360. 



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ethomaz on 13 February 2012

THE GLOBAL ADJUSTMENTS IN PREVIOUS WEEKS

PSP up 181,922
360 up 107,294

Wii down 46,687
PS3 down 80,700
3DS down 85,264

2012 GLOBAL HARDWARE SALES

Platform Yearly (change) Total
3DS 1,569,729 (-89%) 16,005,529
PS3 1,235,092 (-91%) 61,475,615
X360 955,828 (-93%) 64,792,626
Wii 769,936 (-94%) 95,040,037
PSP 470,929 (-94%) 73,322,523
DS 372,644 (-96%) 151,436,227
PSV 123,611 (-74%) 605,184
Total 5,497,769(-92%)  

2012 GLOBAL SOFTWARE SALES 

Platform Yearly (change) Total
PS3 12,475,775 (-91%) 515,030,056
X360 12,075,362 (-92%) 604,592,379
Wii 10,458,581 (-92%) 768,936,886
DS 4,822,096 (-94%) 720,660,091
3DS 3,670,029 (-86%) 30,434,965
PC 3,017,291 (-89%) N/A
PSP 2,141,198 (-93%) 258,107,394
PSV 228,168 (-48%) 669,282
Total 48,888,500(-92%)  


reviniente on 13 February 2012
VGKing said:
oniyide said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
pezus said:
reviniente said:
maverick40 said:
kowenicki said:
maverick40 said:
Keep final fantasy exclusive to Sony platforms. I am sure Square enix will look at the sales of the 360 version and keep versus 13 exclusive to ps3. It doesnt make sense to waste money on porting a game when it will barely sell a million on the 360.

So they wont want $60m in revenue for a port that would cost a fraction of that?

People have gone crazy this gen... by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day, even more so considering they may not be ports and therfore would have much larger spend than this simple port.

Yeah... you're right, almost $200m in revenue for the 360 versions of FFXIII and FFXIII-2 is a waste of everyones time.

Get a grip.

Seriously, out of everyone on this I taught you might have seen sense. The sales for final fantasy on the 360 are pathetic and no where close to the ps3 counterpart. Of course you are not going to admit that but instead pull imaginary numbers out of your arse. For one of the most recognised franchises all of time, square enix should be worried that they couild barely push half a million on the 360. Yeah you are all well and good picking numbers out of your arse about profit but at the end of the day the sales are well below expectations and everyone knows that. 

"by your logic all the PS3 games that sold barely a million were abject failures and shouldnt have ever seen the light of day"

Again what a terrible comparrison. These franchises such as yakuza or motorstorm are not system sellers like final fantasy and are very niche. They don't have multi million dollar ad campaigns with leona lewis singing the main theme song. When there is such a huge disparity in sales between the ps3 and 360 you have to wonder is the user base really the same.  

Sales on the X360 need not be anywhere near the sales on the PS3 for them to warrant an X360 version. SE will make money out of the X360 version, worry not. A more poignant concern is the fact that FFXIII-2 sold substatially less in Japan on the PS3. This whole debate owes more to PS3 fans being sour 'bout SE acknowledging the X360 as a relevant platform.

Oh really, how did you deduce that?

I've an uncanny talent for noticing what's in plain sight. It's good that you're back, BTW.

It is, thanks. But, what's in plain sight for me is that SE just dropped the ball with FFXIII -> lower sales for the sequel


THIS, who the hell could actually believe that FF13-2 not doing so good has anything to do with it being on 360?? Especially in Japan where they dont care about that system anyway. By that logic FF13 should not have done as well as it did.


Don't know about Japan, but here in America its advertised for Xbox 360 only.
If the same is being done in Japan, then Japanese gamers are probably getting put off by it and think its too western.

It wasn't. They made a point 'bout advertising it as a multi-platform release with all that Yuko Oshima tester nonsense and even created a site where they would log tester progress. 7 testers were photographed with the PS3 controller (including Oshima) and 6 with the X360 controller.

The reason for the poor sales has more to do with a latent indiference towards home consoles (in Japan), than to the inherent quality of the game. For further proof, look at how Soul Calibur V is doing or the weekly Japan preview. If I recall correctly, the week Onechanbara Z: Kagura came out, no home console game ranked in the top 10, this week, only one. My point is, overall home console sales are rather disapponiting in Japan. In view of this, the previous argument I was referring to, 'bout FF going back to being PS3 exclusive because of low sales is more fan rage than thoughful analysis.



VGKing on 14 February 2012

Wow Final Fantasy got adjusted down so much on PS3. VgChartz now has it at 581k on PS3 and 248k on 360.
WTF happened? Why were the numbers so off to begin with?



VXIII on 14 February 2012
VGKing said:
Wow Final Fantasy got adjusted down so much on PS3. VgChartz now has it at 581k on PS3 and 248k on 360.
WTF happened? Why were the numbers so off to begin with?

I think VGC are having serious troubles estimating FF franchise popularity.

Something like that happened with XIII , it took only a few days to adjust its number upward, back then ioi mentioned that they didn't use the right method to estimate the franchise.

XIII-2 is even harder to estimate considering all the XIII drama/criticism we had, I hope we get official shipment numbers from SE soon .



VGKing on 14 February 2012
VXIII said:
VGKing said:
Wow Final Fantasy got adjusted down so much on PS3. VgChartz now has it at 581k on PS3 and 248k on 360.
WTF happened? Why were the numbers so off to begin with?

I think VGC are having serious troubles estimating FF franchise popularity.

Something like that happened with XIII , it took only a few days to adjust its number upward, back then ioi mentioned that they didn't use the right method to estimate the franchise.

XIII-2 is even harder to estimate considering all the XIII drama/criticism we had, I hope we get official shipment numbers from SE soon .

I thought they only estimated sales? What does popularity have to do with it?
So XIII-2 really flopped hard......