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Do you pirate?

Yes, quite a lot 65 32.66%
 
Yes, but only occasionally 61 30.65%
 
No, I haven't done so in a long time 50 25.13%
 
No, never have 21 10.55%
 
Total:197

Why? Price is a good argument IMO. When the average salaries in your country are about $600 a month, but stores try to sell you a movie for $50 each (if available). A music CD for $25-$50, games for $80-$100... You get the point, right? I dont pirate my games, but thats me, but I wouldnt blame anybody in my country for downloading things online.



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- Hollywood/Media Companies should also be blamed. They are resisting change and not willing to move with the times..They rely too much on the government/legislation to fix the problem of piracy.



Lord Ciansworth said:
Mr Khan said:
And in come the self-righteous, pretending they're any better than the rest of us.

The morality of any singular instance of piracy can be answered by one question: in a world without shared copies of this item, would you buy it through legitimate channels? If yes, then what you're doing is wrong, if no, then it isn't. For you see, if you are not, in actuality, a potential paying customer, no money is lost by you simply taking the item, because you would not have given money even if the item wasn't free to take.

This is utilitarian morality at its finest, here. The "damage" done by piracy is hugely overstated, mostly by the same greedy media moguls that tried to shut down the internet because their dinosaur business models can't cope with the real world.

I don't think that's really a fair argument to make. Apart from the obvious difficulty in gauging the "potentially" of future consumer behaviour (i.e. just because I am not interested in buying a product now doesn't mean I won't be a few months down the line), there still remains serious moral problems with piracy in the instance you have outlined.

Okay, so I have no intention of buying album "X", so therefore it's okay to steal it and enjoy its content while the producers of the album reap no rewards? This is not a morally justifiable position to take. People have the right to own what they create, I don't think anyone should disagree with that. This right gives creators the ability to sell their creation, if they so choose, and to set the terms under which it is sold. If they enter into an agreement with a distributor, such as a record label for example, fine, that's their choice. The point is, they agree how their creation should be distributed. By stealing their creation, even though you claim you would never have spent money on that creation, you trample on the ownership rights of the creator. You have violated their right to choose what to do with their creation, how it is distributed and sold. This is simply not moral.

In addition, by conducting piracy in this way you help to construct an atmosphere of social acceptability towards thievery. You enable thievery by passively promoting it as justifiable practice. Your actions affect others and enable those who may or may not have "bought it anyway" to steal.

I think it's sad that we all can't hold our hands up and say that theft under any name is still theft and it is simply wrong.

I am utilizing a utilitarian morality structure whereby there is less of a problem with me taking a copy of something even if the original owner does not wish it. What occurred is a zero-loss situation (though utilitarianism does incorporate morality into utility. By pirating it and justifying my piracy, i may be making myself morally weaker for other grey-area situations, and i may be angering the rightful owner of the intellectual property, both matters which have to be taken into account, and which is why i do not totally justify it)

But in practical matters, what occurred is a zero-loss situation. Being a non-customer, my acquisition of the product without the owners consent presents no loss of opportunity, of potential money, and theoretical dollars are all the anti-piracy lobby has to throw around, but of course they count everything out fully, representing all pirated copies as "lost" sales when that is nowhere near the case, and is economically unverifiable unless large-scale polling was done of consumers on their piracy habits (which is unlikely unless confidentiality were assured) across multiple countries (because remember, piracy is a lot more economically justifiable in second/third world countries where official distribution channels are even more inefficient than they are in the developed world)

Really, intensive research should be done on this, to put to bed the myths about intellectual property piracy and to leave the screaming media moguls (glares at Rupert Murdoch) with no leg to stand on.



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NiKKoM said:
Cause I wasn't accepted in Ninja school.... :(

/thread



NiKKoM said:
Cause I wasn't accepted in Ninja school.... :(


There there even though your not a ninja atleast your not a Sega Fanboy....

(when the slinkey burns it's me realizing how sad it is being a sega fanboy in this age and day..)



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boy this is so not my area for many reasons but when you show the cover of the album Justified then i can tell you allot about that, but i'll pass. maybe?

the group Nsync charged $45 for their cheapest seats, which was more expensive then allot of tickets and rivals the Back Street boys who's tickets for their cheapest seats were $25-$36.

well that was when i covered music and now i cover nothing.

with all of that being said, pirates should stop taking money from the mouths of families, and Publishers should give their artist better deals.

the female vocal group TLC made 89 cents an album when crazy sexy cool was released in the 90's, making $8m of more then $800m i, n profitand when all was said and done, they only took home 5k each lol. maybe it was 15k? then again this one shouldn't be news to anyone.

why should i make a work of art, only for someone to steal it because they can? the creator of this art spent more then enough of their lives creating it, yet you want to go out and take from them because you can't afford it?

well that's why i'm a late adopter, and don't buy games at launch. it simply cost to much, and i'm a cheap bastard.

in closing, if you did not create it, you don't own it, but if you buy it then it's yours. but if it says anything about copying this product is prohibited, then you've placed yourself under a contract and are obligated to follow the rules of that contract.

that said, it doesn't mean you can't sell your contract to someone else for a profit, and that's what your doing when you sell your games to Gamestop, or who ever.



That is why I pirate: I'm cheap

Piracy in no way, shape or form even helps the original creator. And the excuses that pirates are the most loyal fan is just mind-blowing. There is no justification to it. I steam all the animes and mangas online for my pressure there is no way around to it. I am cheap and I wont use the excess of everything is too expensive.



 

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People pirate because it's easy and it saves them money.

These are the only two reasons and every other so called reason is just to make them justify it to themselves. with all these weak excuses they only point out that they actually know it's wrong, but they just don't want to admit it.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Porcupine_I said:
People pirate because it's easy and it saves them money.

These are the only two reasons and every other so called reason is just to make them justify it to themselves. with all these weak excuses they only point out that they actually know it's wrong, but they just don't want to admit it.

No-one is denying that they're not doing it because it's easy and cheap, but one has to consider whether it is immoral to acquire things easily and cheaply. Your morality system implies that the motive for your actions helps determine rightness and wrongness, when really the root of rational morality is about outcomes, pursuant to the verbose posts i've been running about the matter in the past week.



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Am I the only one opposed to the term "pirating" being used in regards to illegal file sharing and distribution?

I mean seriously, it has nothing to do with what ACTUAL pirates did back in the day... namely attack and raid merchant ships, slaughter the crew, and steal all the bounty for themselves. They didn't meet up with other pirates and trade all of their stuff (a good portion of which was obtained legally in the first place) with each other in a friendly, sociable setting.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.