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yo_john117 on 23 January 2012
Zlejedi said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
MS is prioritizing the wrong things. I believe this will backfire in the next gen. You can only ignore the core gamer for so long.

They aren't ignoring the core gamer and now that they have so many studios set up for next gen you can expect an absolute huge amount of first party exclusives (both Kinect only and one's that can be used with a controller and Kinect)

A huge amount of Kinect games yes, but we have no evidence of many exclusives for traditional controls.

Even if some of the Kinect games are planned to be "core" Kinect games I am suspicious because I hold the belief that Kinect is near useless for core gaming except for the odd arcade style title such as Child of Eden (which would have been a cool experience with Kinect 2.0).

I will say this again. MS won't abandon the core gamer...it's really as simple as that.

Only because they abandomed them in 2010.





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sethnintendo on 23 January 2012
Argh_College said:

XBLA, Halo Remake, Forza 4, Gears of War 3, amazing 3rd Party games and my 360 is so hot i think its gonna get fire...


Don't get it too hot now because we all know what happens.



VGKing on 23 January 2012
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
MS is prioritizing the wrong things. I believe this will backfire in the next gen. You can only ignore the core gamer for so long.

They aren't ignoring the core gamer and now that they have so many studios set up for next gen you can expect an absolute huge amount of first party exclusives (both Kinect only and one's that can be used with a controller and Kinect)

A huge amount of Kinect games yes, but we have no evidence of many exclusives for traditional controls.

Even if some of the Kinect games are planned to be "core" Kinect games I am suspicious because I hold the belief that Kinect is near useless for core gaming except for the odd arcade style title such as Child of Eden (which would have been a cool experience with Kinect 2.0).

I will say this again. MS won't abandon the core gamer...it's really as simple as that.

They kinda already have. What core releases are coming exclusively to Xbox 360 this year? Halo 4. That's it.

Look at PS3, they got Starhawk, Twisted Metal, The Last of Us(?),  The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy Versus 13(?), and more hopefully announced at E3.

I'm not saying Xbox 360 has not games, the 3rd party games are more than enough to last most gamers throughout the whole year. But how is Xbox 360 differentiating itself from PS3 this year? Kinect. Most core gamers don't care about that. So all they have is Halo 4.

I thought this was because they were ready to move on to the next generation, but it appears that Kinect is their next generation console.



Zlejedi on 23 January 2012
Argh_College said:
Zlejedi said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
MS is prioritizing the wrong things. I believe this will backfire in the next gen. You can only ignore the core gamer for so long.

They aren't ignoring the core gamer and now that they have so many studios set up for next gen you can expect an absolute huge amount of first party exclusives (both Kinect only and one's that can be used with a controller and Kinect)

A huge amount of Kinect games yes, but we have no evidence of many exclusives for traditional controls.

Even if some of the Kinect games are planned to be "core" Kinect games I am suspicious because I hold the belief that Kinect is near useless for core gaming except for the odd arcade style title such as Child of Eden (which would have been a cool experience with Kinect 2.0).

I will say this again. MS won't abandon the core gamer...it's really as simple as that.

Only because they abandomed them in 2010.

XBLA, Halo Remake, Forza 4, Gears of War 3, amazing 3rd Party games and my 360 is so hot i think its gonna get fire...

Yeah hardcore gamers have gone, they are no more on 360.

lol

Thanks for proving my words.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 23 January 2012
Argh_College said:
Zlejedi said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
MS is prioritizing the wrong things. I believe this will backfire in the next gen. You can only ignore the core gamer for so long.

They aren't ignoring the core gamer and now that they have so many studios set up for next gen you can expect an absolute huge amount of first party exclusives (both Kinect only and one's that can be used with a controller and Kinect)

A huge amount of Kinect games yes, but we have no evidence of many exclusives for traditional controls.

Even if some of the Kinect games are planned to be "core" Kinect games I am suspicious because I hold the belief that Kinect is near useless for core gaming except for the odd arcade style title such as Child of Eden (which would have been a cool experience with Kinect 2.0).

I will say this again. MS won't abandon the core gamer...it's really as simple as that.

Only because they abandomed them in 2010.

XBLA, Halo Remake, Forza 4, Gears of War 3, amazing 3rd Party games and my 360 is so hot i think its gonna get fire...

Yeah hardcore gamers have gone, they are no more on 360.

lol

You only listed two Microsoft IP's and the rest were third party. They are NOT investing in core IP's. Way to prove Microsoft cares. :)



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S.T.A.G.E. on 23 January 2012
Seece said:
You'd have to be an idiot to think they've abandoned the core gamer. They just don't need to try as hard this late in the gen, they have those users, they buy the 3rd party games. Now it's time to build up a casual base.

Early next gen they'll behave a lot like they did early this gen.

Thats not going to be possible because....

1. What is Rare doing? The first party exclusives were heavily dependent on them in the beginning.

2. Nintendo is launching before them with the Wii U (an HD console) and Sony will be launching next to them. This means no timed exclusives.

3. They will be forced to fend for themselves on a first and second party front. This means PC gamers can kiss their glorious PC exclusives goodbye even more so if they are to depend (yet again) on third parties.

4. New Kinect experiences will be a huge selling point on the next Xbox.

Sony and Nintendo will not share Microsofts issues next gen. The only thing Nintendo has to overcome is gaining the interest of the core on the level of the PS3 and 360 as well as casuals. The Wii U doesn't feel like a console that too many casuals will invest in unless it drops in price.



PlaystaionGamer on 23 January 2012
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
MS is prioritizing the wrong things. I believe this will backfire in the next gen. You can only ignore the core gamer for so long.

They aren't ignoring the core gamer and now that they have so many studios set up for next gen you can expect an absolute huge amount of first party exclusives (both Kinect only and one's that can be used with a controller and Kinect)

A huge amount of Kinect games yes, but we have no evidence of many exclusives for traditional controls.

Even if some of the Kinect games are planned to be "core" Kinect games I am suspicious because I hold the belief that Kinect is near useless for core gaming except for the odd arcade style title such as Child of Eden (which would have been a cool experience with Kinect 2.0).

I will say this again. MS won't abandon the core gamer...it's really as simple as that.

sure.. so whats microsoft games studios brining out this year for the core gamer?.. except probably ANOTHER halo game? 

Microsoft are focusing now on the casual gamer now. they will next gen too.

i think next gen it will be WiiU & PS4 that are head to head with the core 



Seece on 23 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Seece said:
You'd have to be an idiot to think they've abandoned the core gamer. They just don't need to try as hard this late in the gen, they have those users, they buy the 3rd party games. Now it's time to build up a casual base.

Early next gen they'll behave a lot like they did early this gen.

Thats not going to be possible because....

1. What is Rare doing? The first party exclusives were heavily dependent on them in the beginning.

Since when has Rare been the bastion of core gaming for the 360 this gen?

2. Nintendo is launching before them with the Wii U (an HD console) and Sony will be launching next to them. This means no timed exclusives.

No it doesn't, MS got their decent timed exclusives whilst Wii and PS3 were on the market

3. They will be forced to fend for themselves on a first and second party front. This means PC gamers can kiss their glorious PC exclusives goodbye even more so if they are to depend (yet again) on third parties.

Not going to be any different than it was to this gen.

4. New Kinect experiences will be a huge selling point on the next Xbox.

Doesn't mean they won't cater to the core. You and others are downbeat but you're not looking at the situation realistically. Microsoft is not stupid and what they're doing right now is logical. I don't like it as a gamer, but it makes sense ...

Sony and Nintendo will not share Microsofts issues next gen. The only thing Nintendo has to overcome is gaining the interest of the core on the level of the PS3 and 360 as well as casuals. The Wii U doesn't feel like a console that too many casuals will invest in unless it drops in price.

Unless you're a psychic, you can't forecast what problems any of the big 3 are going to have.



 

DirtyP2002 on 23 January 2012
VGKing said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
yo_john117 said:
Slimebeast said:
MS is prioritizing the wrong things. I believe this will backfire in the next gen. You can only ignore the core gamer for so long.

They aren't ignoring the core gamer and now that they have so many studios set up for next gen you can expect an absolute huge amount of first party exclusives (both Kinect only and one's that can be used with a controller and Kinect)

A huge amount of Kinect games yes, but we have no evidence of many exclusives for traditional controls.

Even if some of the Kinect games are planned to be "core" Kinect games I am suspicious because I hold the belief that Kinect is near useless for core gaming except for the odd arcade style title such as Child of Eden (which would have been a cool experience with Kinect 2.0).

I will say this again. MS won't abandon the core gamer...it's really as simple as that.

They kinda already have. What core releases are coming exclusively to Xbox 360 this year? Halo 4. That's it.

Look at PS3, they got Starhawk, Twisted Metal, The Last of Us(?),  The Last Guardian, Final Fantasy Versus 13(?), and more hopefully announced at E3.

I'm not saying Xbox 360 has not games, the 3rd party games are more than enough to last most gamers throughout the whole year. But how is Xbox 360 differentiating itself from PS3 this year? Kinect. Most core gamers don't care about that. So all they have is Halo 4.

I thought this was because they were ready to move on to the next generation, but it appears that Kinect is their next generation console.

LOL at FFvsXIII and The Last Guardian. Those games were used as examples for the overwhelming lineup of the PS3 in 2009, 2010 and 2011. Include Agent as well and you really pushed the limit.

StarHawk, Twisted Metal (because it was delayed in 2011) Last of Us, Dust, The Last Guardian (still doubt it after all the trouble)

Halo 4, Fable Journey, Steel Battalion, Star Wars Kinect, Alan Wake, Ryse, The Witcher 2, Minecraft. All exclusives for the Xbox 360 this year. So there is quiet a variety for the Xbox 360 this year. And we are still in January.

The resources MS put in their first party studios in the past 12 months are huge and I think if they are able to release high quality games with a better advertising, it will be a great investment.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

denniswaterman on 23 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Thats not going to be possible because....

1. What is Rare doing? The first party exclusives were heavily dependent on them in the beginning.

2. Nintendo is launching before them with the Wii U (an HD console) and Sony will be launching next to them. This means no timed exclusives.

3. They will be forced to fend for themselves on a first and second party front. This means PC gamers can kiss their glorious PC exclusives goodbye even more so if they are to depend (yet again) on third parties.

4. New Kinect experiences will be a huge selling point on the next Xbox.

1) Rare is expanding, new Twycross studio last year, new talant from a lot of racing studios. They're shifting Kinect Sports to MGS Family to concentrate on more core games again. ALL OF THEM OLD IP'S! Just to upset you.

2) Doubtful, I can guarentee 1 timed exclusive every generation.

3) Fairly easy since Microsoft now has the most first party studios of all and the biggest blockbusters on a yearly basis and now Sony diverting 1/3 of internal development towards Vita only and their Japan studios working on 5 year release intervals makes things that much easier.

4) Kinect will be around for a while indeed.

PlaystaionGamer said:

sure.. so whats microsoft games studios brining out this year for the core gamer?.. except probably ANOTHER halo game? 

Microsoft are focusing now on the casual gamer now. they will next gen too.

You say like having a juggernaut franchise is a bad thing. I mean the 3 major PS3 games it has to contend with is a cancelled PSN release, a PSP title that got updated for PS3 and the sequel to Warhawk.

Halo is enough for now. Maybe if Sony announces god of war 4, tlou, tlg, killzone 4 (well not really) and lbp3 for release this holiday they will need more...but not as is. Odds are it'll be Title Fight and a handful of move games.  

They will cater to the casual gamer, because now they have the means to. As it turns out it wasn't software like Viva Pinata and Lips they needed, it was another piece of hardware.  It's incredibly amazing that 6 years ago I used to hear how the PS3 would win because PS2 was for everyone, now that's what Xbox is, what WiiU wants to be and what PS3 can never be.