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sales2099 on 21 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 


XBLA AND PSN are pretty much even now.

LOL. Nevermind lifetime XBLA vs PSN quality games cause that would be REALLY embarassing. If I have the time I might actually compile that list. But if you do your homework XBLA has never lost a year to PSN in terms of number and quality games. 2012 looks like the same. 

But you dont care. You only play $60 games with high poly counts right??



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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smroadkill15 on 21 January 2012
pezus said:
smroadkill15 said:
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Millenium said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Millenium said:
Nsanity said:
Slimebeast said:

Comparison of hardcore exclusives that are relevant for the future, meaning they are expected to get sequels
(motion controlled, cartoon-style, racing/sports and downloadable games are left out):

God of War
Uncharted
Killzone
ICO
Last Story
Starhawk
SOCUM
Lil Big People
Infamos
Twisted Metal
Dust 514
Valkyrie Chronicles
The studio who makes Heavy Rain


Halo
Gears
Fable
Crackdud
Alan Wake

Let's be honest here, MS needs to do much more for the hardcore gamer.

Just so they can make your list bigger?



Obviously.

The amount of sad MS badgering going on here is...sad

We should be badgering them. When the media notices and confronts them for for the second year in a row it becomes kind of obvious there is a problem. Microsoft isnt exactly a company you can rest assured with for gaming, they will be complacent only where profit resides even if it has aboslutely nothing to do with gaming on a gaming console itself. They must also learn be satisfied with a title that sells under three million copies. Not every game is a mega hit. They've been in this for almost two generations and still havent understood that you can have your sellers but its also important as a gaming company to prove your console has a wealth of exclusives to attract gamers. We already know novelties like Kinect can  attract casuals.



No, you shouldn't, hosting your opinion on the matter is fine, and I fully appreciate you to do so, but quattro posting just to hate on MS isn't fine.

If MS was doing some bad on the game department people would stop buying 360's, and so far that hasn't happended.

I've also owned a PS3 since 2009, and since then it has consumed less than 5% of my gaming time, and that isn't likely to change untill TLG and TLOU come out, so Sony isn't doing all that well for me either.

It's all of matter of preference in the end, I prefer 4-5 exclusives that I really want to play, instead of 30 exclusives from which I only want to play 2-3, and I fully appreciate that you disagree, but you could certainly do it with a better attitude.

Ok so....its acceptable to only give two exclusives a year and call yourself a legit gaming company? You mean I purchased my 360 to have it collect dust if Im not playing multiplayer on Live? Sorry bro, I'm a gamer. I think I should. The way I see it, if you purchased a product with your hard earned money and have invested in it for years you deserve to bitch when it calls for it. Microsoft pretty much just admitted the problem and gave their reasoning and quite frankly saying its not easy to make AAA titles isnt good enough. Nintendo and Sony can do it....they say they have bigger blockbusters titles. Its about time they put up or shut up.

First off almost everybody here is ignoring how XBLA pumps out more and better rated games then PSN every year. Unless were all "budget racist" and only care about retail, big budget games.

But MS is doing just fine and their reasoning is sound. Sony tried so hard this gen with new IPs and out of all of them, only Uncharted "stuck" with the gamers, the rest being forgettable and didnt sell according to expectations. MS should not do what Sony does: taking blind shots in the dark hoping one of them connects with the gamers....cause frankly thats a waste of time and money, given their poor sales. 

The final quote was spot on how its all about "quality and IMPACT then number of releases". Its funny to think that Halo 4 will have more buzz and probably more sales then most big name PS3 exclusives combined this year. But theres still the smaller games not on PS3: Minecraft, Alan Wake, Fable The Journey, Ryse, Steel Battelion, Star Wars, The Witcher, plus the usual XBLA titles that just demolish what PSN has to offer. 

As a 360 gamer, I couldnt be happier with my 360. Too many people here are "list whores"...making lists for the sake of seeing whos is bigger. However thats only the on paper aspect. Real world numbers suggest MS is right, given the poor sales of most PS3 new Ips. 

No one is mentioning them because they're almost always not exclusive. Also, this is a bad stereotype that PSN doesn't get as many and good games as XBLA. Your last paragraph is kind of ironic though...

Yes, PSN has a pretty good amount of games, but in terms of qualilty and quantity XBLA is superior. Have you even seem the XBLA games that are releasing this year? I could easily name double the amount of  exclusive arcade games this year compared to PSN. Not taking anything away from PSN, but MS really has arcade games of lock down.  

Yeah, could you list XBLA 2011 exclusive AAA titles? Because I can't remember any. And let's be honest here...in the real world, digital indie titles don't matter. Or at least, that's what I'm told because they're shunned by most 360 owners


It's hard to list games for certain what they will score(because their not out), but all these games should score in the 80-90 or higher meta score.

Alan wake: American Nightmare, Trails Evolution, Deadlight, Fez, Battleblock Theater, Retro City Rampage, Hybrid, Bloodforge, Minecraft, Happy Wars, Sins of Mora, Dust: An Elysain Tale, Skulls of Shogun, Diablical Pitch, Spelunky, Wreckateer and Class3.

These are mainly the high profile games releasing this year, but a pretty solid line-up considering were only in the month of January.   



sales2099 on 21 January 2012
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 

Nice spin there. You still haven't listed the supposed great XBLA AAA exclusives though

Neither PSN or XBLA had a 90+ metacritic game in 2011. But XBLA beat PSN in 70-79 and 80-89 rated games, especially in the 80's category. 

I dont have the list, but the results are there if your willing to do the homework. So I have nothing to hide despite my lack of list. XBLA beat PSN in 2011. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

lurkerwithnosoul on 21 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 


XBLA AND PSN are pretty much even now.


PSN hardly get the same offers and discounts. You can't call that "even".



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 January 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 


XBLA AND PSN are pretty much even now.

LOL. Nevermind lifetime XBLA vs PSN quality games cause that would be REALLY embarassing. If I have the time I might actually compile that list. But if you do your homework XBLA has never lost a year to PSN in terms of number and quality games. 2012 looks like the same. 

But you dont care. You only play $60 games with high poly counts right??


Nope...its not embarrassing. The $60 retails are the games which are generationally used to sway the console wars are the ones who count and provide the face of a console. XBLA doesn't have to lose a year to PSN. PSN and XBLA are just additions with lower budget titles or old classics (thats all).They ARE pretty much even NOW, backlog or no backlog. 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 21 January 2012
lurkerwithnosoul said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 


XBLA AND PSN are pretty much even now.


PSN hardly get the same offers and discounts. You can't call that "even".


LOL...If you have plus you are offered year round discounts, and can play PSN games free (you just dont get to keep the free games). Not even at all! 



sales2099 on 21 January 2012
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 


XBLA AND PSN are pretty much even now.

LOL. Nevermind lifetime XBLA vs PSN quality games cause that would be REALLY embarassing. If I have the time I might actually compile that list. But if you do your homework XBLA has never lost a year to PSN in terms of number and quality games. 2012 looks like the same. 

But you dont care. You only play $60 games with high poly counts right??

You only play popular games, yet you keep yapping about XBLA games that sell only a fraction of retail exclusives...

Me? You checked out my games collection on my profile? Pretty much the list the average 360 core fan has. But I didnt list at all my XBLA purchases, which is at least double that of my retail games I own.

But even then....I do what many here don't: look outside my own opinions and see what the greater whole is doing. And it may be a shock to you but many XBLA games sell on par with many PS3 exclusives. Yaya I know they cost less per sale. Theres always a spin on either side....



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

lurkerwithnosoul on 21 January 2012
pezus said:
smroadkill15 said:
pezus said:
smroadkill15 said:
pezus said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Millenium said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Millenium said:
Nsanity said:
Slimebeast said:

Comparison of hardcore exclusives that are relevant for the future, meaning they are expected to get sequels
(motion controlled, cartoon-style, racing/sports and downloadable games are left out):

God of War
Uncharted
Killzone
ICO
Last Story
Starhawk
SOCUM
Lil Big People
Infamos
Twisted Metal
Dust 514
Valkyrie Chronicles
The studio who makes Heavy Rain


Halo
Gears
Fable
Crackdud
Alan Wake

Let's be honest here, MS needs to do much more for the hardcore gamer.

Just so they can make your list bigger?



Obviously.

The amount of sad MS badgering going on here is...sad

We should be badgering them. When the media notices and confronts them for for the second year in a row it becomes kind of obvious there is a problem. Microsoft isnt exactly a company you can rest assured with for gaming, they will be complacent only where profit resides even if it has aboslutely nothing to do with gaming on a gaming console itself. They must also learn be satisfied with a title that sells under three million copies. Not every game is a mega hit. They've been in this for almost two generations and still havent understood that you can have your sellers but its also important as a gaming company to prove your console has a wealth of exclusives to attract gamers. We already know novelties like Kinect can  attract casuals.



No, you shouldn't, hosting your opinion on the matter is fine, and I fully appreciate you to do so, but quattro posting just to hate on MS isn't fine.

If MS was doing some bad on the game department people would stop buying 360's, and so far that hasn't happended.

I've also owned a PS3 since 2009, and since then it has consumed less than 5% of my gaming time, and that isn't likely to change untill TLG and TLOU come out, so Sony isn't doing all that well for me either.

It's all of matter of preference in the end, I prefer 4-5 exclusives that I really want to play, instead of 30 exclusives from which I only want to play 2-3, and I fully appreciate that you disagree, but you could certainly do it with a better attitude.

Ok so....its acceptable to only give two exclusives a year and call yourself a legit gaming company? You mean I purchased my 360 to have it collect dust if Im not playing multiplayer on Live? Sorry bro, I'm a gamer. I think I should. The way I see it, if you purchased a product with your hard earned money and have invested in it for years you deserve to bitch when it calls for it. Microsoft pretty much just admitted the problem and gave their reasoning and quite frankly saying its not easy to make AAA titles isnt good enough. Nintendo and Sony can do it....they say they have bigger blockbusters titles. Its about time they put up or shut up.

First off almost everybody here is ignoring how XBLA pumps out more and better rated games then PSN every year. Unless were all "budget racist" and only care about retail, big budget games.

But MS is doing just fine and their reasoning is sound. Sony tried so hard this gen with new IPs and out of all of them, only Uncharted "stuck" with the gamers, the rest being forgettable and didnt sell according to expectations. MS should not do what Sony does: taking blind shots in the dark hoping one of them connects with the gamers....cause frankly thats a waste of time and money, given their poor sales. 

The final quote was spot on how its all about "quality and IMPACT then number of releases". Its funny to think that Halo 4 will have more buzz and probably more sales then most big name PS3 exclusives combined this year. But theres still the smaller games not on PS3: Minecraft, Alan Wake, Fable The Journey, Ryse, Steel Battelion, Star Wars, The Witcher, plus the usual XBLA titles that just demolish what PSN has to offer. 

As a 360 gamer, I couldnt be happier with my 360. Too many people here are "list whores"...making lists for the sake of seeing whos is bigger. However thats only the on paper aspect. Real world numbers suggest MS is right, given the poor sales of most PS3 new Ips. 

No one is mentioning them because they're almost always not exclusive. Also, this is a bad stereotype that PSN doesn't get as many and good games as XBLA. Your last paragraph is kind of ironic though...

Yes, PSN has a pretty good amount of games, but in terms of qualilty and quantity XBLA is superior. Have you even seem the XBLA games that are releasing this year? I could easily name double the amount of  exclusive arcade games this year compared to PSN. Not taking anything away from PSN, but MS really has arcade games of lock down.  

Yeah, could you list XBLA 2011 exclusive AAA titles? Because I can't remember any. And let's be honest here...in the real world, digital indie titles don't matter. Or at least, that's what I'm told because they're shunned by most 360 owners


It's hard to list games for certain what they will score(because their not out), but all these games should score in the 80-90 or higher meta score.

Alan wake: American Nightmare, Trails Evolution, Deadlight, Fez, Battleblock Theater, Retro City Rampage, Hybrid, Bloodforge, Minecraft, Happy Wars, Sins of Mora, Dust: An Elysain Tale, Skulls of Shogun, Diablical Pitch, Spelunky, Wreckateer and Class3.

These are mainly the high profile games releasing this year, but a pretty solid line-up considering were only in the month of January.   

Yeah, that's why I said 2011


Bastion

Radiant Silvergun

Guardian Heroes

ITSP

Bangai-O HD

The Dishwasher Vampire Smiles

Ms. Splosion Man

The Gunstringer

Half-Minute Hero SMNC

Are these enough to you?



sales2099 on 21 January 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
lurkerwithnosoul said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
pezus said:
Ajescent said:
I remember the good old days when the argument was the ps3 has no gaemz and lists where used to prove this point time and time again...how times have changed.

And now lists are dismissed and we're talking in "real world" terms


Thats right. Good thing we can evolve over time our views and beliefs. Lets stick with one mentality forever.....cause thats worked well in human history lol. 

But in all seriousness 360 has more quality games per year then PS3, once you include XBLA and PSN.

But then we get the budget racists and downloadable prejudice PS3 gamers that stick to their lists of retail exclusives they dont even buy. 


XBLA AND PSN are pretty much even now.


PSN hardly get the same offers and discounts. You can't call that "even".


LOL...If you have plus you are offered year round discounts, and can play PSN games free (you just dont get to keep the free games). Not even at all! 

Ah therin lies another problem...your paying money per year just like us. Thats heresy in the PS3 gamers bible :P. We all know that even PSN Plus isnt on par with Xbox Live. Live gives out many discounts too every week. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

smroadkill15 on 21 January 2012

Ugh fine lol. Well now if you ask about 2012 it's right here.

Full House Poker, Bastion, Insanely twisted shadow planet, Guardian Heroes, Toy Soldiers: Cold War, Radiant Silvergun, Ms. Splosion Man, Iron Brigade(formely known as Trenched), ilomilo, Torchlight, Crimson Alliance, The dishwasher: Vampire Smile, Orcs Must Die, Half-minute Hero, and Bangai-O HD.