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Seece said:

Look above, prof laid it out nicely for you.

But I'm surprised Nintendo fans here even debate this, i thought they would readily admit this themselves. Look at the Wii's library compared to the gamecubes ...

I imagin a lot of those gamecube owners are very unhappy this gen, and I doubt the Wii pulled many core gamers from the PS2 and Xbox crowd.


To be upset by the lack of games of a certain type wouldn't these "real gamers" have to be interested in the platform?



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HappySqurriel said:
Seece said:

Look above, prof laid it out nicely for you.

But I'm surprised Nintendo fans here even debate this, i thought they would readily admit this themselves. Look at the Wii's library compared to the gamecubes ...

I imagin a lot of those gamecube owners are very unhappy this gen, and I doubt the Wii pulled many core gamers from the PS2 and Xbox crowd.


To be upset by the lack of games of a certain type wouldn't these "real gamers" have to be interested in the platform?

No? Don't have to own a platform to be disappointed with it ... especially as from the get go Wii looked like a big depature from typical Nintendo home consoles, something that would have put core ninty fans on alert.



 

Seece said:
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:
 

No, not even close. Halo has a lot of competition, Nintendo first party games get a free ride nearly every gen.

Nobody competes with them because no-one is able to. It's easy to at least try to replicate Halo's appeal (though few enough have succeeded in the attempt). One also has to consider the concept that if people aren't interested in a game, they simply do not buy it, so that game's sales are usually determined on their own merits and not on the presence or absence of direct competitors. Many Nintendo games stand alone in their appeal, certainly, but that does not account for the sales of those series that sell well

Look above, prof laid it out nicely for you.

But I'm surprised Nintendo fans here even debate this, i thought they would readily admit this themselves. Look at the Wii's library compared to the gamecubes ...

I imagin a lot of those gamecube owners are very unhappy this gen, and I doubt the Wii pulled many core gamers from the PS2 and Xbox crowd.

We reject the fallacious notion of core gamers, a notion that was entirely fabricated in order to perpetuate anti-Wii FUD

Wii pulled over people interested in playing console games, and not PC expatriates

So that's your retort? Right .. might as well have just said 'you're right Seece'.

You present no counterargument, so i can only conclude that you are conceding to my point. I asserted the core gamer is a fabrication, and you said nothing.



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Mr Khan said:
Seece said:
Mr Khan said:

We reject the fallacious notion of core gamers, a notion that was entirely fabricated in order to perpetuate anti-Wii FUD

Wii pulled over people interested in playing console games, and not PC expatriates

So that's your retort? Right .. might as well have just said 'you're right Seece'.

You present no counterargument, so i can only conclude that you are conceding to my point. I asserted the core gamer is a fabrication, and you said nothing.

If you hadn't laid it out so preteniously I might have figured it out better. No I'm not conceding to your point, and that's a weak response from you to suggest core gamers don't exist, pretty damn weak. (and false, of course)



 

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Seece said:
HappySqurriel said:
Seece said:

Look above, prof laid it out nicely for you.

But I'm surprised Nintendo fans here even debate this, i thought they would readily admit this themselves. Look at the Wii's library compared to the gamecubes ...

I imagin a lot of those gamecube owners are very unhappy this gen, and I doubt the Wii pulled many core gamers from the PS2 and Xbox crowd.


To be upset by the lack of games of a certain type wouldn't these "real gamers" have to be interested in the platform?

No? Don't have to own a platform to be disappointed with it ... especially as from the get go Wii looked like a big depature from typical Nintendo home consoles, something that would have put core ninty fans on alert.

You're right Seece the Wii doesn't have an as great library but it's okay because the Wii is still a good console even though it might not have attracted as many "hardcore" gamers as the Xbox360 or PS3. And you can tell by it's amazing sales, so what if most of them are casual gamers? That I would say is a huge accomplishment because it made non-gamers become gamers. So, even though you probably won't listen to me, stop arguing/talking about it. And start talking about how stupid this guy is for thinking that this coming gen is "the last generation." 



Seece said:
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:
Mr Khan said:

We reject the fallacious notion of core gamers, a notion that was entirely fabricated in order to perpetuate anti-Wii FUD

Wii pulled over people interested in playing console games, and not PC expatriates

So that's your retort? Right .. might as well have just said 'you're right Seece'.

You present no counterargument, so i can only conclude that you are conceding to my point. I asserted the core gamer is a fabrication, and you said nothing.

If you hadn't laid it out so preteniously I might have figured it out better. No I'm not conceding to your point, and that's a weak response from you to suggest core gamers don't exist, pretty damn weak. (and false, of course)

I'd say it's a fairly strong argument, given that the colloquial definition of the core gamer has been fluid and varied from generation to generation. People who played Halo/GTA last generation were not core gamers, and how suddenly they are, and how do we account for that?

The Wii rediscovered Nintendo's real core audience, shedding the posers that had followed them previously



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Seece said:
Mr Khan said:
Seece said:
happydolphin said:
Seece said:

Which is exactly the point I'm making.

You realize the same can be said about the HD consoles? What were the last sales of the main Halo games? I'll help: Reach 8.80m. Halo 3: 11.45m.

It's not so far away from Brawl's 10.89m. So, we can see that since both games are a good indicator of the true gamers (lots of casuals buy COD and Kinect they are not good barometers), and since both have very similar sales, the proper assumption or oracle is to say that both the Nintendo and Microsoft gamer bases are quite similar.

Nuff said?

No, not even close. Halo has a lot of competition, Nintendo first party games get a free ride nearly every gen.

Nobody competes with them because no-one is able to. It's easy to at least try to replicate Halo's appeal (though few enough have succeeded in the attempt). One also has to consider the concept that if people aren't interested in a game, they simply do not buy it, so that game's sales are usually determined on their own merits and not on the presence or absence of direct competitors. Many Nintendo games stand alone in their appeal, certainly, but that does not account for the sales of those series that sell well

Look above, prof laid it out nicely for you.

But I'm surprised Nintendo fans here even debate this, i thought they would readily admit this themselves. Look at the Wii's library compared to the gamecubes ...

I imagin a lot of those gamecube owners are very unhappy this gen, and I doubt the Wii pulled many core gamers from the PS2 and Xbox crowd.


Smh you didn't even address his points. Prof was talking about a barometer for trad gamer count. This has nothing to do with it, since all games compete for purchase your argument is junk. Halo versus what? Gears, cod? Smash versus what? Mario kart, galaxy, etc. etc. the competition point is so bad...

ALL games compete, hence why the Other M example was valid, if you read it :S nobody wanted it, so it did not sell. If what gou were saying were true, it would have sold regardless, yet it didn't happen and that's why I politely but strongly disagree.



NintendoPie said:
Seece said:
HappySqurriel said:
Seece said:

Look above, prof laid it out nicely for you.

But I'm surprised Nintendo fans here even debate this, i thought they would readily admit this themselves. Look at the Wii's library compared to the gamecubes ...

I imagin a lot of those gamecube owners are very unhappy this gen, and I doubt the Wii pulled many core gamers from the PS2 and Xbox crowd.


To be upset by the lack of games of a certain type wouldn't these "real gamers" have to be interested in the platform?

No? Don't have to own a platform to be disappointed with it ... especially as from the get go Wii looked like a big depature from typical Nintendo home consoles, something that would have put core ninty fans on alert.

You're right Seece the Wii doesn't have an as great library but it's okay because the Wii is still a good console even though it might not have attracted as many "hardcore" gamers as the Xbox360 or PS3. And you can tell by it's amazing sales, so what if most of them are casual gamers? That I would say is a huge accomplishment because it made non-gamers become gamers. So, even though you probably won't listen to me, stop arguing/talking about it. And start talking about how stupid this guy is for thinking that this coming gen is "the last generation." 

What core on the HD twins? cod players? Lmao.. A trad core gamer is someone who is serious about games. Nintendo provided serious content for the wii, as a basic example galaxy >>>>> sunshine. Cube gamers were blessed this gen, and only a twit would have been worried that motion controls would negatively affect supply of quality content, since revenue and install base due to the appealing tech drove momentum for more content, as one should have predicted, in their right minds of course...



I do not think so for as long as there is Nintendo. there will be a gaming console.
If Nintendo ever dropped out then . ya i'd be worried!

but  then again  this wont happen for a long time because not everyone has access to internet . fast enough to sustain cloud gaming .   and there is still alot of collectors such as my self who  like to collect physical media.  in fact until the internet it self is free .  I do not see consoles going off the market in place of internet needed devices!