DemoniOtaku said:
and i'm not sure what are you trying to say about the characters and tsunderes.. is that bad? I enjoyed with Shana and or the clones later... is just a trend like sometimes are Little ssiters, sengoku based series, yuusha-maou based series (there have been some latelly...), and how probably will be Patcheyed girls and have been the term of Chuunibyou (8th grade syndrome) recently... but I don't think that's a valid point to criticsism, just because it became popular?
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I'm not saying that popular=bad, because that would be blatantly hipster :P
The part abous Shana clones was just a side remark about a trend that has appeared. I'm more concerned about how annoying such character can be, especially in most of the series featuring Shana Clones. Why is that? Because being a tsundere loli with KugiRie's voice becomes a definig trait for most of such characters, hence preventing character development, something that I sincerely hate.
Don't get me wrong, though - a character archetype is by no means a bad thing, as it is inevitable - it's virtually impossible to come up with a character that would not fall into one archetype or another, or a deconstruction, Flanderization, inversion or subversion of one. All the bricks have been invented and the challenge is to connect them in a meaningful way.
My main problem with Shakugan no Shana is that at some point I started expecting something I shouldn't have from an average shounen series (not the same kind as manga shounen, but there's a similar think among novels - like Zero no Tsukaima, Index or aforementioned Shana), or maybe I got bored with painfully archetypical characters, or maybe it was this huge gap between second and third season. Whichever it was, it caused me to drop the series altogether. And regard it as not holding any value beyond repetitive Good Versus Evil shounen-style battles with superpowers where a regular high school student gets involved with supernatural world and becomes the only person able to save everyone, or at least the crucial key to do so.
And let's not confuse setting with archetypes - Sengoku era, fantasy, space opera - either of these can make a great work, because the setting doesn't define much - you can move between high/low fantasy and hard/soft sci-fi quite easily, just swapping aliens for a fantasy race, technology for magic etc. I also applaud skillful use of cliched jRPG setting of Hero against the Demon Lord to create great and quite insightful works like Maoyuu or Hataraku Maou-sama! Incest-ish works are fine as long as they don't fall under the generic harem type (compare and contrast OniiAi against Mahoua Koukou no Rettousei), eyepatch moe and autismoe are fun in their own way too - Chu2koi managed to escape the fate of generic harem too.
tl;dr I don't complain about the existence of Shana Clones but about how they are used.