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Which Option Do You Think Is More Accurate?

The PS3/360 Is Over/Undertracked In EU. 135 23.48%
 
Ballmer Was Including A Few Jan Shipments. 67 11.65%
 
MS Stuffed The Channels. 246 42.78%
 
IT'S 2012! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! 123 21.39%
 
Total:571
kain_kusanagi said:
If Sony even remotely thought they had won they would have tooted their own horn. MS tooted theirs because they knew they had the numbers to back it up. The fact that Sony hasn't tried to claim winning numbers means MS was right. Everyone on the outside of the industry is just going by guesses and estimates based on polls and fuzzy tracking systems. MS knows what they've sold because they track it internally through their distributors and retailers, just like Sony does. If Sony had beat MS, they would have claimed it. MS claimed it and Sony didn't because they both know it's true.

Ok, I guess 2 people still in denial.  You do realize Ballmer said over 66 million sold?  Was he right about that?  Nope.  Also, he said #1 in HW throughout the world, while taking about the 360 and Kinect.  So it seems he was including Kinect in with their HW.  Besides, Sony has won the past 2 years and to my knowledge have said jack all about it, so why would this year be any different?  Then, of course, you have the other sales charts that have been released that don't back up a 360 victory.  Look, even Seece conceded that if Sony doesn't report unexpectedly low numbers in their shipments, they truly won. 



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VGKing said:
Tigerlure said:
Lol looks like someone got a little bit mad on this thread. I think MS may have overshipped.


But that's impossible! MS has to be the winner! They said so!


Sony says the say thing all the time. You think anyone believe them? They also said gamers would get 2nd jobs just to buy their overpriced $600 PS3. Yup, they're real smart. ;)



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thismeintiel said:
kain_kusanagi said:
If Sony even remotely thought they had won they would have tooted their own horn. MS tooted theirs because they knew they had the numbers to back it up. The fact that Sony hasn't tried to claim winning numbers means MS was right. Everyone on the outside of the industry is just going by guesses and estimates based on polls and fuzzy tracking systems. MS knows what they've sold because they track it internally through their distributors and retailers, just like Sony does. If Sony had beat MS, they would have claimed it. MS claimed it and Sony didn't because they both know it's true.

Ok, I guess 2 people still in denial.  You do realize Ballmer said over 66 million sold?  Was he right about that?  Nope.  Also, he said #1 in HW throughout the world, while taking about the 360 and Kinect.  So it seems he was including Kinect in with their HW.  Besides, Sony has won the past 2 years and to my knowledge have said jack all about it, so why would this year be any different?  Then, of course, you have the other sales charts that have been released that don't back up a 360 victory.  Look, even Seece conceded that if Sony doesn't report unexpectedly low numbers in their shipments, they truly won. 


THIS. Sony has never "touted their own horn" the last 2 years they won. Why would they start now?



thismeintiel said:
kain_kusanagi said:
If Sony even remotely thought they had won they would have tooted their own horn. MS tooted theirs because they knew they had the numbers to back it up. The fact that Sony hasn't tried to claim winning numbers means MS was right. Everyone on the outside of the industry is just going by guesses and estimates based on polls and fuzzy tracking systems. MS knows what they've sold because they track it internally through their distributors and retailers, just like Sony does. If Sony had beat MS, they would have claimed it. MS claimed it and Sony didn't because they both know it's true.

Ok, I guess 2 people still in denial.  You do realize Ballmer said over 66 million sold?  Was he right about that?  Nope.  Also, he said #1 in HW throughout the world, while taking about the 360 and Kinect.  So it seems he was including Kinect in with their HW.  Besides, Sony has won the past 2 years and to my knowledge have said jack all about it, so why would this year be any different?  Then, of course, you have the other sales charts that have been released that don't back up a 360 victory.  Look, even Seece conceded that if Sony doesn't report unexpectedly low numbers in their shipments, they truly won. 

How are we in denial? The numbers point to MS/360 being the winner here. Until Sony comes out with their shipment figures and we get some firm numbers on how many are actually on store shelves, it looks much more likely that the 360 won here.



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Sony, Y U NO SAY SOMETHING!?



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

You know what? About sell-through, for every company, except before Xmas, when retailers often play safe and restock best seller products far before being close to sell out, for every company we can say that when they do a new shipment, the previous one is probably close to be sold out, and we can only be sure almost at 100% only that the second to last shipment and the previous ones are completely sold out. We cannot have any other certainty about sales to end users, just estimates. Certainties about the second to last Xmas shipment are even scarcer for best seller products, as any retailer will prefer to sell the excess during clearance sales that risking shortages.
About Ballmer, boasting is his style, he likes to look strong, make fans proud and scare competitors, only he can do it and still be somehow liked even by most of his enemies, you can hate Ballmer because he's scary and when he becomes too powerful he's a danger for a fair and competitive market, but you can't really hate him, he just oozes both intentional and unintentional humour, but nobody else at MS (and almost nobody else in other companies) can safely behave the same, Greenberg, for example, tried to be a bully and a turd like him, but it didn't work, everyone and his dog was hating him and he eventually had to become a nice and polite guy.



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nightsurge said:
thismeintiel said:
kain_kusanagi said:
If Sony even remotely thought they had won they would have tooted their own horn. MS tooted theirs because they knew they had the numbers to back it up. The fact that Sony hasn't tried to claim winning numbers means MS was right. Everyone on the outside of the industry is just going by guesses and estimates based on polls and fuzzy tracking systems. MS knows what they've sold because they track it internally through their distributors and retailers, just like Sony does. If Sony had beat MS, they would have claimed it. MS claimed it and Sony didn't because they both know it's true.

Ok, I guess 2 people still in denial.  You do realize Ballmer said over 66 million sold?  Was he right about that?  Nope.  Also, he said #1 in HW throughout the world, while taking about the 360 and Kinect.  So it seems he was including Kinect in with their HW.  Besides, Sony has won the past 2 years and to my knowledge have said jack all about it, so why would this year be any different?  Then, of course, you have the other sales charts that have been released that don't back up a 360 victory.  Look, even Seece conceded that if Sony doesn't report unexpectedly low numbers in their shipments, they truly won. 

How are we in denial? The numbers point to MS/360 being the winner here. Until Sony comes out with their shipment figures and we get some firm numbers on how many are actually on store shelves, it looks much more likely that the 360 won here.

Your're in denial because all numbers we have so far point to Sony winning in actual sales, while it looks like MS may have won in shipments.  Remember, though, there claim (and the countless threads on VGC) were about sales, not shipments.



How come it says "Install base 65.8m" on the article?



Yay!!!

Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
How come it says "Install base 65.8m" on the article?


go and ask microsoft. they've been coming out with all sorts recently