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Which Option Do You Think Is More Accurate?

The PS3/360 Is Over/Undertracked In EU. 135 23.48%
 
Ballmer Was Including A Few Jan Shipments. 67 11.65%
 
MS Stuffed The Channels. 246 42.78%
 
IT'S 2012! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! 123 21.39%
 
Total:571
thismeintiel on 16 January 2012
Torillian said:
scat398 said:

actually it's the opposite, VGC members are having a hard time accepting that MS hold an average of 1.44 million units in stock  on Shelves, its very hard for the SDF to deal with right now.

Your math seems off, I'm getting 1.72 for the average of those five numbers, more if you take out the obviously outlying .6 which would makes the average 2.0 instead.  

Also I suggest not throwing around terms like SDF around.

Was about to say that.  Of course, an average doesn't matter here, anyway.  As more tracking service's numbers get revealed, and if we take MS's own 66+ million number, there just seems to be a lot of 360's in the channel (~2.3 million is what VGC has at the moment).  This is just a case of retailers thinking the 360 was going to fly off of shelves in Dec because of great Nov numbers (mostly in the US), but it didn't happen. 



 

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D-Joe on 16 January 2012

oh i forget to say one thing,i said they will keep restock it

do you know why?because our(chinese) holiday is about two weeks later,not three weeks ago(christmas)

besides,these bundles still available in US Xbox.com



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ils411 on 16 January 2012
thismeintiel said:
Torillian said:
scat398 said:

actually it's the opposite, VGC members are having a hard time accepting that MS hold an average of 1.44 million units in stock  on Shelves, its very hard for the SDF to deal with right now.

Your math seems off, I'm getting 1.72 for the average of those five numbers, more if you take out the obviously outlying .6 which would makes the average 2.0 instead.  

Also I suggest not throwing around terms like SDF around.

Was about to say that.  Of course, an average doesn't matter here, anyway.  As more tracking service's numbers get revealed, and if we take MS's own 66+ million number, there just seems to be a lot of 360's in the channel (~2.3 million is what VGC has at the moment).  This is just a case of retailers thinking the 360 was going to fly off of shelves in Dec because of great Nov numbers (mostly in the US), but it didn't happen. 

Since black friday is only in the US, and that's where the 360 sold gang buster during that time frame, and since the boost in sales didn't really affect the rest of the world, wouldn't it be logical to asume that a large portion of inventory of the 360s are in the US? Since it is there that many retailers experienced the awosme sales from the x360 during black friday and expected it to sell a whole lot more during christmas?



ethomaz on 16 January 2012
NotStan said:
Humm I usually tend to ignore ethomaz, as it's either whining about the numbers or an underhanded comment in regards to "undertracking". But I find it kind of ironic that you're using the VGC numbers when it suits your agenda, but whenever we had the weekly numbers in the past few years, you posted in almost every thread with the typical "undertracked" comment or "waiting adjustments", and got banned for that a few times I think. Don't mind me, just laughing my ass off here.

I got banned two times... one because I call someone trol because it call me a lot of things... and another unfair ban because two day late the Uncharted 3 was adjusted up (it was undertracked like all the news showed... I have some support to day something is under/over tracked).

About the numbers I posted... I'm just showing to him that less than 1 million on shelves for the end of year is BS... VGC just showed it one time when MS and retailers have supply issues... now I didn't read anything about supply issues.

I'm just trying to say 2m on shelves is not impossible.



ethomaz on 16 January 2012
ils411 said:
ethomaz said:
scat398 said:
ethomaz said:
scat398 said:
Aj_habfan said:
scat398 said:
Right now we know 360 has shipped about 66.5 million and they have a standard of keeping about 1million in supply chain so sales should be between 65 to 65.5.

I heard 66M, do you have a link for 66.5M? And that standard is your BS.

No but your reply is BS.  I'm using the 66.5 as the middle of the road between 66 and 67 as MS has stated it was over 66.  I understand that could be 66.1 hence the 65 to 65.5 actual based sold based upon "the standard" that MS has consistantly kept a 1 to 1.5 million supply chain.  You don't have to like it (which I have no idea why you wouldn't), but there it is.

Your standard is BS like he said.

2006: 2.4 million on shelves
2007: 2.0 million on shelves
2008: 1.8 million on shelves
2009: 1.8 million on shelves
2010: 0.6 million on shelves

The last year is an exception due supply issues.

Nice try ethomaz but your numbers are crap, get over it.

VGC numbers... not mine ... face it.

I wonder why its hard for some to accept that there are 1-2+ million Xbox360s sitting on shelves around the world? Hell, even PS3s and Wiis should have that much.

Just imagine how many retailers/ stores/ sales outlets there are around the world. In the US alone there are porbably tens of thousands if not hundred of thousands of stores that sell Xbox360s. Now there's Europe, The Middle East, South America, Russia, and Asia. Multiply those number of stores that sell X360s world wide with say 3-4 units of Xbox360s on hand and you get over a million consoles.

Same shit applies to the Wii and the PS3.

Hell, the same shit applies to anything that is distributed world wide and carried in dozens and doezens of countries. Only difference is that some sell faster than others.

 

 

I agree... I just showed the number because the people here said the standard for 360 is less then 1 million on shelves... that's not the standard... that's BS.



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ethomaz on 16 January 2012
Nsanity said:
NotStan said:
Humm I usually tend to ignore ethomaz, as it's either whining about the numbers or an underhanded comment in regards to "undertracking". But I find it kind of ironic that you're using the VGC numbers when it suits your agenda, but whenever we had the weekly numbers in the past few years, you posted in almost every thread with the typical "undertracked" comment or "waiting adjustments", and got banned for that a few times I think. Don't mind me, just laughing my ass off here.

If they were an forum ignore button on this site ethomaz would have been added to it long ago.

And you too LOL.



ethomaz on 16 January 2012
scat398 said:
Nsanity said:
NotStan said:
Humm I usually tend to ignore ethomaz, as it's either whining about the numbers or an underhanded comment in regards to "undertracking". But I find it kind of ironic that you're using the VGC numbers when it suits your agenda, but whenever we had the weekly numbers in the past few years, you posted in almost every thread with the typical "undertracked" comment or "waiting adjustments", and got banned for that a few times I think. Don't mind me, just laughing my ass off here.

If they were an forum ignore button on this site ethomaz would have been added to it long ago.

It's actually even worse than that...the average is 1.44 million units on store shelves by VGC own numbers and Ethomaz manipulated those numbers to try and prove his point.

Manipulated? Ohhhh God... I just got the shipped number for the last quarter and substracted the sales showed in VGC.

That's the real numbers.



scat398 on 16 January 2012
Torillian said:
scat398 said:

actually it's the opposite, VGC members are having a hard time accepting that MS hold an average of 1.44 million units in stock  on Shelves, its very hard for the SDF to deal with right now.

Your math seems off, I'm getting 1.72 for the average of those five numbers, more if you take out the obviously outlying .6 which would makes the average 2.0 instead.  

Also I suggest not throwing around terms like SDF around

I'll lay off the attacks, no hard feelings Ethomaz.

 

But back to the numbers I'm adding up the VGcharts numbers quarter by quarter that BH3 and Kowenicki posted in the Ship Vs sold thread (they are accurate and are VGcharts official numbers.  And I actually forgot to add in the numbers from 2011 as BHR-3 had left them off....the number comes to 1.37 avarage supply.  So if I'm missing something I'm happy to recant, but those are the numbers.



thismeintiel on 16 January 2012
D-Joe said:

oh i forget to say one thing,i said they will keep restock it

do you know why?because our(chinese) holiday is about two weeks later,not three weeks ago(christmas)

besides,these bundles still available in US Xbox.com

That may change how things are on Chinese sites, but not the ones in the US.  The holiday season is over here, yet some sites were giving away free games with them (even though they already come with 2 free games), free Live cards, and I believe I saw one or two sites giving away gift gards with them.  It looks to me like stores bought quite a few 360 Holiday bundles and that's what they are pushing now to get rid of all the extra stock they have.

Edit: Ok, I see what you were trying to say.  That Amazon restocked those.  While that is true, Toys R' Us hasn't.  Not sure what Amazon is doing, but my prediction is that when the normal retailers run out of stock in a month or so, there won't be anymore of those bundles available to restock.  Of course, all of this doesn't really change the difference in the actual sales numbers and MS CES numbers.



 

ils411 on 16 January 2012
scat398 said:
Torillian said:
scat398 said:

actually it's the opposite, VGC members are having a hard time accepting that MS hold an average of 1.44 million units in stock  on Shelves, its very hard for the SDF to deal with right now.

Your math seems off, I'm getting 1.72 for the average of those five numbers, more if you take out the obviously outlying .6 which would makes the average 2.0 instead.  

Also I suggest not throwing around terms like SDF around

I'll lay off the attacks, no hard feelings Ethomaz.

 

But back to the numbers I'm adding up the VGcharts numbers quarter by quarter that BH3 and Kowenicki posted in the Ship Vs sold thread (they are accurate and are VGcharts official numbers.  And I actually forgot to add in the numbers from 2011 as BHR-3 had left them off....the number comes to 1.37 avarage supply.  So if I'm missing something I'm happy to recant, but those are the numbers.


i'm too lazy to look up that thread so i'll just ask, how did you average the quarters? did you add up all the on hand inventory per quarter then averaged it? if so, thats not a very good representation of the average inventory level. What you want to do is average the on hand inventory for quarters that end in december. that way, you get the average inventory during end of Christmas. 

If you average all of the quarters, that would be a quarterly average, not an end of season average.