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mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:

for what i saw from the right since 2008.  the republican congress were the anarchists.   they would rather destroy the government and this country than help the president pass bs right wing laws that they in the past created.  but the populate as a whole is so stupid they let them get away with it and the so called msm dont help.   you have a right wing propaganda machine worst than al jazeera and the other networks that 90% of the time have republicans on the air talking lies out of their dung hole but theres noone there for rebuttal and host sit there and let it go on instead of punching them in their dicklickers with facts.


You, nor Mr. Khan have answered my question. You said there were studies that proved that right wing groups undertook more terrorist activities. I want that study, please.

I never claimed to have studies, i was just going off of impressions. If there is a militant fringe left in America, it is infinitesimally small (and Kasz, that's the disclaimer for my thing, in America. I know the militant left is out there around the world, but the fringe left in the USA does not seem to be violent in nature)

The question under debate here is whether domestic radical Islam outnumbers domestic fringe right-wing activities, correct? I wouldn't know where to search for such data



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gameonbro said:


timothy mcveigh was very noticeable also the loon that crash a plane into the tax building.

From Joseph Stack's suicide note:

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Sounds like a real right-winger, for sure.

 



I'm not sure about the specifics of the Oklahoma law, but the argument for banning sharia from American courts is to prevent stupid shit like this from happening. Yes, it should go without saying, and yes, was eventually overturned, but some judges are dumb as fuck and need to be told very explicitly what they can and cannot do.



badgenome said:

I'm not sure about the specifics of the Oklahoma law, but the argument for banning sharia from American courts is to prevent stupid shit like this from happening. Yes, it should go without saying, and yes, was eventually overturned, but some judges are dumb as fuck and need to be told very explicitly what they can and cannot do.

I would doubt anyone needs to violate the first amendment quite flagrantly in order to reinforce the common-sense notion that rape is rape. Judges are fallible too and can make bad decisions, which is why we have the appeals circuits. Really that just sounds like another instance of a usually-strict justice system being lenient towards sexual harrassment, which is a problem all over the planet whether or not Islam comes into the picture (statistically, rape is the only crime here in Japan where there is a conviction rate of under 98%)



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Mr Khan said:
badgenome said:

I'm not sure about the specifics of the Oklahoma law, but the argument for banning sharia from American courts is to prevent stupid shit like this from happening. Yes, it should go without saying, and yes, was eventually overturned, but some judges are dumb as fuck and need to be told very explicitly what they can and cannot do.

I would doubt anyone needs to violate the first amendment quite flagrantly in order to reinforce the common-sense notion that rape is rape. Judges are fallible too and can make bad decisions, which is why we have the appeals circuits. Really that just sounds like another instance of a usually-strict justice system being lenient towards sexual harrassment, which is a problem all over the planet whether or not Islam comes into the picture (statistically, rape is the only crime here in Japan where there is a conviction rate of under 98%)

Yeah, I agree that it's a very bad idea to hastily craft legislating in response to one outlier case, but that's exactly the sort of thing that happens all the time on a multitude of issues. It almost invariably makes for bad law. My point is that this isn't just coming out of nowhere, but rather because there are judges who, I suppose out of some braindead multiculti celebrate diversity we are the world mindset, want to take such things into consideration as sharia or international law (which the Oklahoma law also banned, IIRC) when ruling on cases. A much better solution is for dumbshit judges like Joseph Charles to be promptly shitcanned after such an outrageous verdict.



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Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
 

for what i saw from the right since 2008.  the republican congress were the anarchists.   they would rather destroy the government and this country than help the president pass bs right wing laws that they in the past created.  but the populate as a whole is so stupid they let them get away with it and the so called msm dont help.   you have a right wing propaganda machine worst than al jazeera and the other networks that 90% of the time have republicans on the air talking lies out of their dung hole but theres noone there for rebuttal and host sit there and let it go on instead of punching them in their dicklickers with facts.


You, nor Mr. Khan have answered my question. You said there were studies that proved that right wing groups undertook more terrorist activities. I want that study, please.

I never claimed to have studies, i was just going off of impressions. If there is a militant fringe left in America, it is infinitesimally small (and Kasz, that's the disclaimer for my thing, in America. I know the militant left is out there around the world, but the fringe left in the USA does not seem to be violent in nature)

The question under debate here is whether domestic radical Islam outnumbers domestic fringe right-wing activities, correct? I wouldn't know where to search for such data

I thought it was just fringe left/right in general.

In the US,  we don't have much domestic terrorism in general, even "sweeped under the rug."

Just perceived threats of domesteic terrorism more or less.

The few cases we've had of domestic terrorism didn't really seem right or leftwing based so much as "insane" based with beliefs that at best represents anarchy.



Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
 

for what i saw from the right since 2008.  the republican congress were the anarchists.   they would rather destroy the government and this country than help the president pass bs right wing laws that they in the past created.  but the populate as a whole is so stupid they let them get away with it and the so called msm dont help.   you have a right wing propaganda machine worst than al jazeera and the other networks that 90% of the time have republicans on the air talking lies out of their dung hole but theres noone there for rebuttal and host sit there and let it go on instead of punching them in their dicklickers with facts.


You, nor Mr. Khan have answered my question. You said there were studies that proved that right wing groups undertook more terrorist activities. I want that study, please.

I never claimed to have studies, i was just going off of impressions. If there is a militant fringe left in America, it is infinitesimally small (and Kasz, that's the disclaimer for my thing, in America. I know the militant left is out there around the world, but the fringe left in the USA does not seem to be violent in nature)

The question under debate here is whether domestic radical Islam outnumbers domestic fringe right-wing activities, correct? I wouldn't know where to search for such data

I thought it was just fringe left/right in general.

In the US,  we don't have much domestic terrorism in general, even "sweeped under the rug."

Just perceived threats of domesteic terrorism more or less.

The few cases we've had of domestic terrorism didn't really seem right or leftwing based so much as "insane" based with beliefs that at best represents anarchy.

actually im pretty pro life but the prolife right is a terrorist group by definition.  they've bomb, killed, threaten, intimidated, etc.. everything they do by definition = terrorist



gameonbro said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
 

for what i saw from the right since 2008.  the republican congress were the anarchists.   they would rather destroy the government and this country than help the president pass bs right wing laws that they in the past created.  but the populate as a whole is so stupid they let them get away with it and the so called msm dont help.   you have a right wing propaganda machine worst than al jazeera and the other networks that 90% of the time have republicans on the air talking lies out of their dung hole but theres noone there for rebuttal and host sit there and let it go on instead of punching them in their dicklickers with facts.


You, nor Mr. Khan have answered my question. You said there were studies that proved that right wing groups undertook more terrorist activities. I want that study, please.

I never claimed to have studies, i was just going off of impressions. If there is a militant fringe left in America, it is infinitesimally small (and Kasz, that's the disclaimer for my thing, in America. I know the militant left is out there around the world, but the fringe left in the USA does not seem to be violent in nature)

The question under debate here is whether domestic radical Islam outnumbers domestic fringe right-wing activities, correct? I wouldn't know where to search for such data

I thought it was just fringe left/right in general.

In the US,  we don't have much domestic terrorism in general, even "sweeped under the rug."

Just perceived threats of domesteic terrorism more or less.

The few cases we've had of domestic terrorism didn't really seem right or leftwing based so much as "insane" based with beliefs that at best represents anarchy.

actually im pretty pro life but the prolife right is a terrorist group by definition.  they've bomb, killed, threaten, intimidated, etc.. everything they do by definition = terrorist

Sure they have.  However it's as far as I know, not particularly widespread an issue. 

Much more common tactics by Prolife groups are ones you actually don't hear about.

Life for example setting up fake abortion clinics that try and convince the person out of it, or even delay them and reschedule their apointments until they are past the legal time to get an abortion.



mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
the way the right act in america is nuts. i really thing the stuff they do is to entice a holy jihad. same way they do stuff to try to start race wars. america is full of psychos ready to go for it now.

its funny how study after study showed the most acts and threats of terrorism come from the right but its always swept under the rug


I'm curious about this. Could you point me to these studies, please?

I could believe it. For whatever reason, the left wing (and i'm talking fringe left here) isn't very militarized, although you saw more violence from Occupy than from the equivalent Tea Party in the right, the far fringe left in America is generally more peacable, barring the eco-terrorists who are still more like large-scale vandals. The fringe right in America, however, has been quite scary from the 90's on ahead.

I would imagine incidents (whether these are threats, plots, or executed plots) from the American fringe right outnumber those of radicalized Muslims operating in the USA, but that many of them are minor and, while not being swept under the rug as gameonbro stated, are just not big enough to be noticeable

I think that's based almost completley on your definition of Leftwing... for this to be true I  think you'd have to make two conclusions.

1) Anarchists don't count as Left Wing because no government = smaller government.

However generally, Anarchists tend to vote Leftwing and are left leaning as seen by the fact that they are a big part of Occupy Wallstreet or at least were starting off.

2) Communist terrorist/freedom forces like FARC don't count as leftwing because while they preach communist revolution, they're probably going to just implement a generic dictatorship that replaces the last one.

Really a "what they say vs what they do."  Either way it's terrorism in the name of Leftwing Ideals.

Additionally, I'd watch out for some possible leftwing terrorism in Greece.  They're trying to liberalize their economy.  The last time that happened the minister in charge was killed.  The groups are out there.  They just haven't really had much reason to act lately.

 

for what i saw from the right since 2008.  the republican congress were the anarchists.   they would rather destroy the government and this country than help the president pass bs right wing laws that they in the past created.  but the populate as a whole is so stupid they let them get away with it and the so called msm dont help.   you have a right wing propaganda machine worst than al jazeera and the other networks that 90% of the time have republicans on the air talking lies out of their dung hole but theres noone there for rebuttal and host sit there and let it go on instead of punching them in their dicklickers with facts.


You, nor Mr. Khan have answered my question. You said there were studies that proved that right wing groups undertook more terrorist activities. I want that study, please.



RIGHT-WING GROUPS: The most recent swell of extremist violence began to emerge from right-wing militants in the late-1980s and 1990s. According to a 2005 FBI report on terrorism, these groups, which are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes, began to overtake left-wing extremism as the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country." Right-wing extremists champion a wide variety of causes, including racial supremacy, hatred and suspicion of the federal government, and fundamentalist Christianity. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks the activities of hate groups, suggests militia groups declined every year since 1996 but have seen a dramatic resurgence since 2008. http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations/militant-extremists-united-states/p9236 You only have to mention the armed militia moment and the resurgence of hate groups and white power moments in the last 10-20 years especially since Obama was elected to know this is the case.

aken909 said:
mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
mrstickball said:
gameonbro said:
the way the right act in america is nuts. i really thing the stuff they do is to entice a holy jihad. same way they do stuff to try to start race wars. america is full of psychos ready to go for it now.

its funny how study after study showed the most acts and threats of terrorism come from the right but its always swept under the rug


I'm curious about this. Could you point me to these studies, please?

I could believe it. For whatever reason, the left wing (and i'm talking fringe left here) isn't very militarized, although you saw more violence from Occupy than from the equivalent Tea Party in the right, the far fringe left in America is generally more peacable, barring the eco-terrorists who are still more like large-scale vandals. The fringe right in America, however, has been quite scary from the 90's on ahead.

I would imagine incidents (whether these are threats, plots, or executed plots) from the American fringe right outnumber those of radicalized Muslims operating in the USA, but that many of them are minor and, while not being swept under the rug as gameonbro stated, are just not big enough to be noticeable

I think that's based almost completley on your definition of Leftwing... for this to be true I  think you'd have to make two conclusions.

1) Anarchists don't count as Left Wing because no government = smaller government.

However generally, Anarchists tend to vote Leftwing and are left leaning as seen by the fact that they are a big part of Occupy Wallstreet or at least were starting off.

2) Communist terrorist/freedom forces like FARC don't count as leftwing because while they preach communist revolution, they're probably going to just implement a generic dictatorship that replaces the last one.

Really a "what they say vs what they do."  Either way it's terrorism in the name of Leftwing Ideals.

Additionally, I'd watch out for some possible leftwing terrorism in Greece.  They're trying to liberalize their economy.  The last time that happened the minister in charge was killed.  The groups are out there.  They just haven't really had much reason to act lately.

 

for what i saw from the right since 2008.  the republican congress were the anarchists.   they would rather destroy the government and this country than help the president pass bs right wing laws that they in the past created.  but the populate as a whole is so stupid they let them get away with it and the so called msm dont help.   you have a right wing propaganda machine worst than al jazeera and the other networks that 90% of the time have republicans on the air talking lies out of their dung hole but theres noone there for rebuttal and host sit there and let it go on instead of punching them in their dicklickers with facts.


You, nor Mr. Khan have answered my question. You said there were studies that proved that right wing groups undertook more terrorist activities. I want that study, please.



RIGHT-WING GROUPS: The most recent swell of extremist violence began to emerge from right-wing militants in the late-1980s and 1990s. According to a 2005 FBI report on terrorism, these groups, which are "primarily in the form of domestic militias and conservative special interest causes, began to overtake left-wing extremism as the most dangerous, if not the most prolific, domestic terrorist threat to the country." Right-wing extremists champion a wide variety of causes, including racial supremacy, hatred and suspicion of the federal government, and fundamentalist Christianity. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks the activities of hate groups, suggests militia groups declined every year since 1996 but have seen a dramatic resurgence since 2008. http://www.cfr.org/terrorist-organizations/militant-extremists-united-states/p9236 You only have to mention the armed militia moment and the resurgence of hate groups and white power moments in the last 10-20 years especially since Obama was elected to know this is the case.

I'd note that the "LEFTWING" groups leaves out Anarcist groups... and in general isn't counting Eco Terrorism/animal abuse or any number of other single party leftwing issues.

In general, LEFTWING TERROISM in the source you provided means "Communists who want to spread communism." 

So essentially what your source is saying is "Militia groups > Communist Groups."

Counting Ecological Terrorism for Leftwing and Abortion bombers for Rightwing might get you different results.

What with Eco Terrorists being listed as the number 1 terror problem in 2004.  Per your own source.

Additionally calling Jared Laughner a MILITIA based terrorist is an extreme stretch... being one guy, and one guy who hated right wing polticians at least as much as leftwing ones.

Dude had a huge obsession with Zeitgeist, which I'd personally consider to be more of a "Leftwing" insane conspiracy theory movie then a rightwing one.