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deskpro2k3 said:
Jexy said:
kanageddaamen said:
Jexy said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I'd say keep guns for the police and soldiers. the days of hunting in the wilds like in the 1800s is over in my opinion.

They should make bullets expansive instead. Like $600 per round. If someone got shot, you know they must have done something to worth a $600 bullet. I wont be surprised if the shooter went back for the bullet.


Spoken like a person who has no clue about the wildlife population that would go out of control if it weren't for hunting season, and spoken like a person who has never hunted for food, which many Americans do.

I don't hunt, but I live in the northeast and I can vouch that the deer population is already out of control.  Besides, venison is delicious

Exactly.  Most dopes go on living their lives thinking those populations stay stagnant without constant human intervention.  If we wanted to be "all natural" and let nature do it's thing, then you wouldn't have farms to feed anyone.

 

Or perhaps humans is moving in in the deer's natural habitat. another thing to consider


Which happened 100 years ago?  You want to move the millions of humans now?  Are we even being realistic?



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Player1x3 said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.


You honestly think american people can defeat government controlled US Army? Or did I misunderstood you?

The people in the army arent completely controlled by the goverment, thyre people to and many may choose to fight with the rebels.



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Marks said:
Jexy said:
Galaki said:
If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns. Why can't people understand that?

 It defeats crime before it starts. 


Exactly!! Great point.

Police don't prevent murders, they just go find out who did it...whereas a well armed citizens can actually prevent the crime as you said in your story. 

Indeed.  Like he said to me, you'd have to be a fool to commit a crime in most of those towns.  And those towns also have the highest ownership of guns, with the lowest crime rates.  Because it is more like those scandanavian countries.  Everyone is basically the same ethnicity and like-minded.  I wish it wasn't true, but too many people in different ethnicity groups just don't seem to like eachother :p 

And to what you said, 93% of the crimes are committed by thugs using illegal guns any way, so you'd only be disarming the honest folk. 



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Jexy said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Jexy said:
kanageddaamen said:
Jexy said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I'd say keep guns for the police and soldiers. the days of hunting in the wilds like in the 1800s is over in my opinion.

They should make bullets expansive instead. Like $600 per round. If someone got shot, you know they must have done something to worth a $600 bullet. I wont be surprised if the shooter went back for the bullet.


Spoken like a person who has no clue about the wildlife population that would go out of control if it weren't for hunting season, and spoken like a person who has never hunted for food, which many Americans do.

I don't hunt, but I live in the northeast and I can vouch that the deer population is already out of control.  Besides, venison is delicious

Exactly.  Most dopes go on living their lives thinking those populations stay stagnant without constant human intervention.  If we wanted to be "all natural" and let nature do it's thing, then you wouldn't have farms to feed anyone.

 

Or perhaps humans is moving in in the deer's natural habitat. another thing to consider


Which happened 100 years ago?  You want to move the millions of humans now?  Are we even being realistic?

Deer are no real harm to humans, They share the land with other animals so why cant you share with them? Theres no harm in sharing you know and to them your the infestation



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Jexy said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
 

Well they must be doing something right in scandinavian countries since they tend to have some of the lowest crime rates, best healthcare, best education, highest quality of life, and be among the most peaceful and least corrupt. 

http://nationranking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/2011-qli2.png

And about the suicide rates...

This is from the Edinburgh university library online resources:

"The myth of Swedish suicide” has its roots in the late-1950s when the American President Dwight D. Eisenhower referred to it in a speech which had been based on an inaccurate briefing. The President had tried to paint a negative picture of Sweden, a nation which - with its cradle-to-grave socialism - had set itself on a post-war neutral stance outside the then embryonic-NATO and American influence. Ever since many people have accepted the picture as fact and perpetuate the myth."

Norway actually ranks lower than USA and Canada among male suicides.

Keep in mind that these countries have very long dark winters, this also atributes to suicides.


One I agree, those Scandanavian countries are some of the best to live in. 

However, they aren't exactly in line with how the USA is at all, nevermind politically, I mean diversity.

Those countries, like most countries in the world that aren't the USA, are not diverse at all.  It's just a bunch of like-minded white people.  The more diversity, the more hatred, and the more crime.  In the USA, black people hate white people, hispanic people hate blacks, white people hate hispanics, etc etc etc.  Other countries do not have to deal with this mix of populations.  Sure, it's a small % of the population who does this, but all that gang crime happens mostly between the low lifes in their all black, all hispanic, and all white gangs.  And they fight eachother.  Even prison divides up into ethnicities.  Sometimes things aren't so pretty when you have uneducated (and unable to be educated) people living in poverty, who resort to animal like behavior in "proving" themselves to be the tough guy.  I mean shoot, the number one way for a black man to die in this country is to be shot, and by another black man. 

Also, the USA is WAY bigger than those countries... so once you have so many cities that are so much larger, etc... crime starts to happen.  I think the rest of Europe right now is proving that those Scandanavian systems don't work on a larger scale. 

Also, not sure where that graph is from... but Egypt being one of the more peaceful countries?  What a joke.

Ok, I completely agree with you. The point I was making is that scandinavia is a great place to live, even with the very high taxes. What does this have to do with the point I was making? 



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chris.m95 said:
Player1x3 said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.


You honestly think american people can defeat government controlled US Army? Or did I misunderstood you?

The people in the army arent completely controlled by the goverment, thyre people to and many may choose to fight with the rebels.

As seen all over the middle east this past year.



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Andrespetmonkey said:
Jexy said:

One I agree, those Scandanavian countries are some of the best to live in. 

However, they aren't exactly in line with how the USA is at all, nevermind politically, I mean diversity.

Those countries, like most countries in the world that aren't the USA, are not diverse at all.  It's just a bunch of like-minded white people.  The more diversity, the more hatred, and the more crime.  In the USA, black people hate white people, hispanic people hate blacks, white people hate hispanics, etc etc etc.  Other countries do not have to deal with this mix of populations.  Sure, it's a small % of the population who does this, but all that gang crime happens mostly between the low lifes in their all black, all hispanic, and all white gangs.  And they fight eachother.  Even prison divides up into ethnicities.  Sometimes things aren't so pretty when you have uneducated (and unable to be educated) people living in poverty, who resort to animal like behavior in "proving" themselves to be the tough guy.  I mean shoot, the number one way for a black man to die in this country is to be shot, and by another black man. 

Also, the USA is WAY bigger than those countries... so once you have so many cities that are so much larger, etc... crime starts to happen.  I think the rest of Europe right now is proving that those Scandanavian systems don't work on a larger scale. 

Also, not sure where that graph is from... but Egypt being one of the more peaceful countries?  What a joke.

Ok, I completely agree with you. The point I was making is that scandinavia is a great place to live, even with the very high taxes. What does this have to do with the point I was making? 

Well the topic is about USA and guns, and the crime.  I took what you said and applied it to the topic.  Scandinavia isn't great because of the high taxes and socialistic properties, it's great because everyone is the same and they all agree on the main topics that normally throw most diverse countries off course.   So if someone were to read what you wrote, then say, the USA should be like that, I'm just saying it wouldn't work. 



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Jexy said:
chris.m95 said:
Player1x3 said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.


You honestly think american people can defeat government controlled US Army? Or did I misunderstood you?

The people in the army arent completely controlled by the goverment, thyre people to and many may choose to fight with the rebels.

As seen all over the middle east this past year.

Indeed somewhere like america could only fall to its own people



Wait... does this mean im not human?

PSN addy - mrx95

A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination. - Nelson Mandela

A radical is a man with his feet planted firmly in the air. - Franklin.D.Roosevelt

 

Jexy said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Jexy said:
kanageddaamen said:
Jexy said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I'd say keep guns for the police and soldiers. the days of hunting in the wilds like in the 1800s is over in my opinion.

They should make bullets expansive instead. Like $600 per round. If someone got shot, you know they must have done something to worth a $600 bullet. I wont be surprised if the shooter went back for the bullet.


Spoken like a person who has no clue about the wildlife population that would go out of control if it weren't for hunting season, and spoken like a person who has never hunted for food, which many Americans do.

I don't hunt, but I live in the northeast and I can vouch that the deer population is already out of control.  Besides, venison is delicious

Exactly.  Most dopes go on living their lives thinking those populations stay stagnant without constant human intervention.  If we wanted to be "all natural" and let nature do it's thing, then you wouldn't have farms to feed anyone.

 

Or perhaps humans is moving in in the deer's natural habitat. another thing to consider


Which happened 100 years ago?  You want to move the millions of humans now?  Are we even being realistic?

if you want to be realistic, obviously your idea is not an option.. it is not as it was 100 years ago.  At this point in time we have no choice but to keep the deers under control in these hunting games. its not a matter of survival. that is why each hunter plays a lottery that tells them what they can hunt and how many. 



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chris.m95 said:
Jexy said:


Which happened 100 years ago?  You want to move the millions of humans now?  Are we even being realistic?

Deer are no real harm to humans, They share the land with other animals so why cant you share with them? Theres no harm in sharing you know and to them your the infestation

Ok buddy.  Go hug all the deer and be friends.  Let me know how that turns out.



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