o_O.Q said:
h2o1977 said:
o_O.Q said:
h2o1977 said:
They can take your personal data and sell it to anyone for what every they can use it for,
and you can't take them to court if your identity is stolen.
All these "Agreements" must be read thoroughly and we should fight for our freedom in suing a big
company like Sony because they have fumbled and continue to fumble with gamers personal credit card
information and home address.
I don't agree with Sony, or any company that tries to own personal data because you use their service.
I applaud this person who took a stand against Sony for our sake to raise awareness of this hidden agreements.
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the sad thing here is that being a big xbox supporter you're completely oblivious ( or maybe you aren't and just don't care ) to the fact that microsoft implemented the same thing in xbox live
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/07/new-xbox-live-terms-of-service-prevent-class-action-lawsuits-aga/
"As the language suggests, the waiver bars any user from entering a class action lawsuits against Microsoft, requiring instead that all disputes be solved by "informal negotiation." Should said negotiation fail to solve the dispute, individuals may enter into binding arbitration with the company.
Microsoft certainly isn't the first company to add such language to its terms of service, as mentioned above, and it likely won't be the last. The company has dealt with the looming specter of class action lawsuits before, one as recently as 2010. As with other similar terms of service changes, users may choose to reject it by sending a letter (a paper one) to Microsoft Corporation, ATTN: LCA ARBITRATION, One Microsoft Way, Redmond, WA 98052-6399.
We've embedded the relevant sections of the terms of service after the break.
Update: It turns out that you actually can't opt out of the arbitration agreement, at least not if you want to keep using Xbox Live. Microsoft has informed Kotaku that the ability for customers to reject changes only applies to future changes to the arbitration agreement. From now on, individuals wishing to file a dispute may do so by visiting xbox.com/notice, filling out a form and mailing it – again, an actual paper letter – to Microsoft.
Should the dispute not be satisfactorily resolved in 60 days, users can submit an arbitration claim (PDF), an onerous process requiring fees, multiple copies of forms and, not least of all, an attorney."
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No I'm not oblivious to the Xbox 360 agreement....All these agreements are the same ones that are givien to people who use social websites..Its based on cloud information that can be used for advertisement or anything else they want.
I disagree with Sony and Microsofts policies regarding online participation.
And you don't have to play online to enjoy a Video Game !
Given the fact that sony has had a bad year, and now you add this to an already frustated PS3 gamers community, will Sony be relevent next year ??
Besides the PSVita what will motivate gamers to trust in Sony ???
Nintendo has a strong hold of the hand held markets, and iOS games are becoming more and more relevant and cheap, how is the PSVitagoing to compete ??
By suing Sony or Microsoft we can raise awareness of these hidden agreements and fight for better policies. |
i have a question... did you sign up for the microsoft agreement?... if that is indeed the case shouldn't you be more concerned with how microsoft is handling this issue?
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"In Section 18 of the Terms of Use document, Microsoft has included two sub-sections relating to taking action against the company when something goes wrong. The first is section 18.1.4, which has you agree to give up your right to resolve a dispute in court, or become a member of a class action lawsuit against the company. Section 18.1.6 reinforces the fact that you cannot be part of a class action and must resolve disputes as an individual and through arbitration."
This Agreement was done following the same from Sony, because Sony or Microsoft can't guaranteed 100% security to gamers accounts and personalinformation, and they are trying to protect themselves from being sued because of the possibilities of getting hacked like Sony did.If that was your company you would do the same, but that is not going to stop any lawsuits in the future and gamers winning over these agreements.
