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oniyide on 26 December 2011
DarkDesent666 said:
oniyide said:
There are alot of reasons. For one Western devs have in there mind that they need to be like the eastern devs, which is stupid. I dont see western devs trying to be like the ones in the east. The frustrating thing is that the Japan devs have done great things. KH BBS, TWENY, FFtype 0 all good games, then they pull crap like FF13 & 14, SE is the worst because they got Eidos which was supposed to give them the western appeal and then they go around and still try to make there Japan games westernized?! Namco; not sure what the hell went wrong with Tekken6, but Tag2 looks good. Capcom, Pheonix Wright good, hell SF4 was great, but then they pull crap like UMvs.C3. Ninty and Sega do ok, Sonic has vastly improved and im loving the Yakuzas, they are true Japan games.
@DarkDescent, kinda make your argument moot, when half the games you listed arent even FROM Japan. Those are small fry games anywhere, where the hell is Versus 13?? Doesnt seem like exclusivity is helping that one.

That arguement was in responce to the guy saying multiplats are more new and unique my post before that was my arguement about japanese games, which if you read, you'd know I think have gone downhill, atleast bandai, capcom and especially square. Exclusivity with a big company doesn't really mean that much, the company has the money to make it about the same anyways, and no company (other then console makers) are going to take full advantage of a console. 

ok thats all true. But its not a 3rd party publishers job to push any given console, thats up to the 1st parties. 3rd parties are supposed to get their game out to most people as possible, to ensure not just sales, but a larger fanbase. You might not like it but the days of exclusivity are gone, and IMHO its for the better. 



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NintendoPie on 26 December 2011

Meh somewhat agree, but I'm pretty sure most of Square Enix's games are good.



oniyide on 26 December 2011
BasilZero said:
oniyide said:
DarkDesent666 said:
oniyide said:
There are alot of reasons. For one Western devs have in there mind that they need to be like the eastern devs, which is stupid. I dont see western devs trying to be like the ones in the east. The frustrating thing is that the Japan devs have done great things. KH BBS, TWENY, FFtype 0 all good games, then they pull crap like FF13 & 14, SE is the worst because they got Eidos which was supposed to give them the western appeal and then they go around and still try to make there Japan games westernized?! Namco; not sure what the hell went wrong with Tekken6, but Tag2 looks good. Capcom, Pheonix Wright good, hell SF4 was great, but then they pull crap like UMvs.C3. Ninty and Sega do ok, Sonic has vastly improved and im loving the Yakuzas, they are true Japan games.
@DarkDescent, kinda make your argument moot, when half the games you listed arent even FROM Japan. Those are small fry games anywhere, where the hell is Versus 13?? Doesnt seem like exclusivity is helping that one.

That arguement was in responce to the guy saying multiplats are more new and unique my post before that was my arguement about japanese games, which if you read, you'd know I think have gone downhill, atleast bandai, capcom and especially square. Exclusivity with a big company doesn't really mean that much, the company has the money to make it about the same anyways, and no company (other then console makers) are going to take full advantage of a console. 

ok thats all true. But its not a 3rd party publishers job to push any given console, thats up to the 1st parties. 3rd parties are supposed to get their game out to most people as possible, to ensure not just sales, but a larger fanbase. You might not like it but the days of exclusivity are gone, and IMHO its for the better. 

I agree with this post!

But you know depending on a person's view/taste, certain genres are better on a particular system.

I've heard from alot of people and my opinion personally as well, I see the PS3 as a better system for RPGs while I see the Xbox360 as the better system for FPS.

thats true, but that still doesnt mean that they should just put it on one console. the PS3 version of COD still does extremly well and I believe that fighting games play better on PS3, but does that mean screw 360 owners and they get on games?? No way



Cirio on 26 December 2011
SnakeDrake said:
People trend to for get in this kind of discussions.
Japan = 1 country
Western = USA+Canada+Austria+New Zealand+the whole freaking Europe

Yes and that 1 country pretty much dominated video games for almost every generation.



DarkDesent666 on 26 December 2011
oniyide said:
ok thats all true. But its not a 3rd party publishers job to push any given console, thats up to the 1st parties. 3rd parties are supposed to get their game out to most people as possible, to ensure not just sales, but a larger fanbase. You might not like it but the days of exclusivity are gone, and IMHO its for the better. 


Well see there's a bit of a snag, their job isn't just to get their games to as many people as possible. Technically it's ultimately to make as much money as possible, so they might advertise less or opt to make their game better rather then more acessible. Also there are several 3rd party exclusives that came out or are coming out on the ps3 this year or next so saying the days are over is just wrong. The games include Yakuza, Versus, Bleach: Soul Resurrección, Disgaea 4, Trinity: Souls of Zill O’ll, Quantic Dream's next game, every game GUST made/is making this gen, Agent still apparently. 

So it's not really a thing of the past, not done as offend by bigger companies is pretty much all you can say. 



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oniyide on 26 December 2011
BasilZero said:
oniyide said:
BasilZero said:
oniyide said:
DarkDesent666 said:
oniyide said:
There are alot of reasons. For one Western devs have in there mind that they need to be like the eastern devs, which is stupid. I dont see western devs trying to be like the ones in the east. The frustrating thing is that the Japan devs have done great things. KH BBS, TWENY, FFtype 0 all good games, then they pull crap like FF13 & 14, SE is the worst because they got Eidos which was supposed to give them the western appeal and then they go around and still try to make there Japan games westernized?! Namco; not sure what the hell went wrong with Tekken6, but Tag2 looks good. Capcom, Pheonix Wright good, hell SF4 was great, but then they pull crap like UMvs.C3. Ninty and Sega do ok, Sonic has vastly improved and im loving the Yakuzas, they are true Japan games.
@DarkDescent, kinda make your argument moot, when half the games you listed arent even FROM Japan. Those are small fry games anywhere, where the hell is Versus 13?? Doesnt seem like exclusivity is helping that one.

That arguement was in responce to the guy saying multiplats are more new and unique my post before that was my arguement about japanese games, which if you read, you'd know I think have gone downhill, atleast bandai, capcom and especially square. Exclusivity with a big company doesn't really mean that much, the company has the money to make it about the same anyways, and no company (other then console makers) are going to take full advantage of a console. 

ok thats all true. But its not a 3rd party publishers job to push any given console, thats up to the 1st parties. 3rd parties are supposed to get their game out to most people as possible, to ensure not just sales, but a larger fanbase. You might not like it but the days of exclusivity are gone, and IMHO its for the better. 

I agree with this post!

But you know depending on a person's view/taste, certain genres are better on a particular system.

I've heard from alot of people and my opinion personally as well, I see the PS3 as a better system for RPGs while I see the Xbox360 as the better system for FPS.

thats true, but that still doesnt mean that they should just put it on one console. the PS3 version of COD still does extremly well and I believe that fighting games play better on PS3, but does that mean screw 360 owners and they get on games?? No way


Oh no you misunderstood me xD, I didnt mean it should be exclusive lol.

I'm just saying all in all it comes down to what a person wants out of a system in terms of genre, multimedia, online , etc.

Releasing games on multiplatform is good for both the consumer AND for the company who is developing the game.

Along with that it would truly be a competition between the hardware companies (Nintendo, Sony and MS) cause they'll be forced to make more games and even better games cause they'll be competiting mostly based on what each system offers in multimedia AND first party titles.

I knew what you meant, and I dont know why people cant see the bolded. It just works for everyone.  Ninty always brings there A game, dont know about MS, but Sony has really pulled their head out of their ass. 



oniyide on 26 December 2011
DarkDesent666 said:
oniyide said:
ok thats all true. But its not a 3rd party publishers job to push any given console, thats up to the 1st parties. 3rd parties are supposed to get their game out to most people as possible, to ensure not just sales, but a larger fanbase. You might not like it but the days of exclusivity are gone, and IMHO its for the better. 


Well see there's a bit of a snag, their job isn't just to get their games to as many people as possible. Technically it's ultimately to make as much money as possible, so they might advertise less or opt to make their game better rather then more acessible. Also there are several 3rd party exclusives that came out or are coming out on the ps3 this year or next so saying the days are over is just wrong. The games include Yakuza, Versus, Bleach: Soul Resurrección, Disgaea 4, Trinity: Souls of Zill O’ll, Quantic Dream's next game, every game GUST made/is making this gen, Agent still apparently. 

So it's not really a thing of the past, not done as offend by bigger companies is pretty much all you can say. 


You make more money by limiting your audience and sticking to one console?? that makes no sense. Even if they could make the game better by sticking it on one console, their are still so much people who would be able to get the game and lets be serious here, its not like PS360 are that much different that they could do what they do on one and not the other.  And lets be real here the games you mentioned are in NO way pushing the PS3, I can name dozens of multiplatformer games that look better on PS3. Yakuza 4 looks ok, Bleach looks ok, etc.  That quantic dream game will be technically first party and for all we know Versus could jump to 360, which I dont even care about anymore.  Gone was a wrong word, going away? maybe, lessened?? hell yeah



DarkDesent666 on 26 December 2011
oniyide said:
You make more money by limiting your audience and sticking to one console?? that makes no sense. Even if they could make the game better by sticking it on one console, their are still so much people who would be able to get the game and lets be serious here, its not like PS360 are that much different that they could do what they do on one and not the other.  And lets be real here the games you mentioned are in NO way pushing the PS3, I can name dozens of multiplatformer games that look better on PS3. Yakuza 4 looks ok, Bleach looks ok, etc.  That quantic dream game will be technically first party and for all we know Versus could jump to 360, which I dont even care about anymore.  Gone was a wrong word, going away? maybe, lessened?? hell yeah

No you spend less money. Also demographic comes into play. How well do you think alchemist of arland or heavy rain would do on 360? More then the porting cost? Even if so, if that money was spent on the next game it could ultimatelly gain you more money since you make so little from the 360 port. Also if you do make your game better it will give it more word of the mouth value which will help it sell more especially if you are on an arvertisement budget. And it's not wether the game pushes the limits of the platform it's what would you have to compremise to make it multiplatform, you might have to push back the date or reduce the amount of content or make the load time slower because you don't have the time and money to optimize it for both. It get's complicated fast. Also Versus isn't going to go to the 360, if you need a quick and easy reason it's because it would delay it significantly and frankly I'm not sure it's possible without dumbing down the game. Also incentives from the console maker, they can handle alot of your advertisement or give you help to optimize your game or in some cases straight up cash. 



disolitude on 26 December 2011

Mario games have been stellar. Bayonetta is in my top 5 fave games of all time. Other surprises have come from the Japanese developers as well like Dead Rising 1 and Shadows of the Damned.

I don't see anything wrong with Japanese developers, other than maybe the don't know how to milk FPS sequels just yet.



disolitude on 26 December 2011
BasilZero said:
disolitude said:
Mario games have been stellar. Bayonetta is in my top 5 fave games of all time. Other surprises have come from the Japanese developers as well like Dead Rising 1 and Shadows of the Damned.

I don't see anything wrong with Japanese developers, other than maybe the don't know how to milk FPS sequels just yet.


Final Fantasy XIII and Capcom....that is all you need to know XD


Neither are milking army FPS games which is good and also I wouldn't consider Final Fantasy XIII milking, as it was vastly different from other FF games.

Capcom I have no comment on as they really have really become a re-publsher.