Munkeh111 said:
Yes they do, look up their earnings reports, the break it down by division |
Um....Sonys July-September quarterly report showed the PS division posting almost a half billion loss. Due to the price cut most people say.
Munkeh111 said:
Yes they do, look up their earnings reports, the break it down by division |
Um....Sonys July-September quarterly report showed the PS division posting almost a half billion loss. Due to the price cut most people say.
snakenobi said:
yeah the falling TV sales are hurting badly
the movie and music division are making a profit and PS3 is not making a loss even after price-cut.Sony is not gonna lose on PS3 anymore.They can cut PS3 price again next year and still not lose. this year sony losses are due to:
TV division Earthquake Sony ericsson purchase fabrication factory and other purchases PS VITA hardware(very small loss or maybe they have broken even) R&D costs(this are yearly cost every company bears but are covered by profits but sony can't cover them because of other loses) Stron YEN against other currencies |
yea i know PS3 isn't making a loss, but the cut added to the loses, i think it was in the report, but PS3 = profit.
yea a price cut next yr. would do Sony some good, and if the level of software said to be releasing next yr.,leads to profit then Sony could be back in the green next yr., but it's more so the yen as you have pointed out. Merry Christmas nobi.
http://www.gamingbus.com/2011/11/03/sonys-consumer-products-division-posts-q2-losses/
People dont forget this little tidbit of information. Playstation division isnt profiting anymore.
sales2099 said: http://www.gamingbus.com/2011/11/03/sonys-consumer-products-division-posts-q2-losses/ People dont forget this little tidbit of information. Playstation division isnt profiting anymore. |
it's the division not the product in question. PS is lumped in with the consumer electronic's division, so there is no way of knowing unless there's a seporate report breaking down each product.
as noted before, yes the price cut(which is mentioned in the artical) is part of the loses, but it says nothing about the system or PS brand taking a lose.
PS is in the division that's costing Sony the most money, yet the PS brand is profiting.
check this out gamerzpedia: highest earning video game...
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
as noted before, yes the price cut(which is mentioned in the artical) is part of the loses, but it says nothing about the system or PS brand taking a lose. PS is in the division that's costing Sony the most money, yet the PS brand is profiting. check this out gamerzpedia: highest earning video game... |
You see MS has their division which is mostly made up of Xbox 360 and Windows Phone 7. So when we see their numbers, its pretty clear that their mostly from Xbox. You dont have people saying " They only profited because Windows Phone was carrying the Xbox brand". Thats just not done lol.
Sony on the other hand over the years has lumped the Playstation brand in with an increasing number of different products. The article I mentioned showed the division, a large division BUT included the Playstation brand nonetheless, posted hundreds of millions of losses.
Sony refuses to divulge purely PS numbers and continues to lump them in this large division. I speculate that its cause they can mask their PS losses in a crowd of other products so it will be hard to tell whats really losing money.
Oh and I saw your link. Says Sony PS brand brings in 13.4 billion every year....in revenue. I wanted to know net profit. Revenue is good and dandy but it could lead to a net loss for all we know.
Sony as a whole are hurting pretty bad right now for a lot of reasons, the main ones are generally accepted as the recession / economic downturn, high Yen, lack of innovation and competition taking a lot of their electronic market. I mean you just need to sort of look how TV's have come along in the past 10 years, since say, someone like Samsung entered the market - they made (For all intents and purposes) TV as good as Sony's at a much lower cost, in a recession. Sony did nothing to respond and their TV division is bleeding money from it.
It's hard to totally judge how the PS side of things is getting on. Obviously the PS3 bled a hell of a lot of money at launch but it's generally seen to be profitableish now. The latest Q2 (I think) earnings report was losses but PS is lumped in with other stuff that I believe is generally quite unprofitable... it's very hard to judge as I've no idea if revenue from stuff like PSN services is counted. Theres no doubt the PlayStation side of things for the most part has gone terribly this gen though and they really have a lot to address going forward.
Spiderman to the rescue i guess.
1. They haven't lost the lead. The PS3 is still on track to beat the Xbox 360. It will since there's no way the Xbox 360 will get a 250k lead for these last 2 weeks of the year. Plus the PS3 is definitely a bit undertracked. So at worst, it would be a statistical tie.
2. Too much competition I guess. How much money did they spend on 3D R&A? I'm guessing A LOT!
sales2099 said:
You see MS has their division which is mostly made up of Xbox 360 and Windows Phone 7. So when we see their numbers, its pretty clear that their mostly from Xbox. You dont have people saying " They only profited because Windows Phone was carrying the Xbox brand". Thats just not done lol. Sony on the other hand over the years has lumped the Playstation brand in with an increasing number of different products. The article I mentioned showed the division, a large division BUT included the Playstation brand nonetheless, posted hundreds of millions of losses. Sony refuses to divulge purely PS numbers and continues to lump them in this large division. I speculate that its cause they can mask their PS losses in a crowd of other products so it will be hard to tell whats really losing money. Oh and I saw your link. Says Sony PS brand brings in 13.4 billion every year....in revenue. I wanted to know net profit. Revenue is good and dandy but it could lead to a net loss for all we know. |
agreed on some points. hey they could be masking PS3 losses, but we'd be better of saying the PS3 makes very little profit v saying it's a huge hole.
you may not know me that well but i hate speculation, it's like betting your car can go 300 miles per hr. but the speedometer says your top speed is 298.
Degausser said: Sony as a whole are hurting pretty bad right now for a lot of reasons, the main ones are generally accepted as the recession / economic downturn, high Yen, lack of innovation and competition taking a lot of their electronic market. I mean you just need to sort of look how TV's have come along in the past 10 years, since say, someone like Samsung entered the market - they made (For all intents and purposes) TV as good as Sony's at a much lower cost, in a recession. Sony did nothing to respond and their TV division is bleeding money from it. It's hard to totally judge how the PS side of things is getting on. Obviously the PS3 bled a hell of a lot of money at launch but it's generally seen to be profitableish now. The latest Q2 (I think) earnings report was losses but PS is lumped in with other stuff that I believe is generally quite unprofitable... it's very hard to judge as I've no idea if revenue from stuff like PSN services is counted. Theres no doubt the PlayStation side of things for the most part has gone terribly this gen though and they really have a lot to address going forward. Spiderman to the rescue i guess. |
agreed, but they need a hero that death and kryptonite can't stop or kill lol.
I'm going to say it again, since the networking division, Sony does not provide Playstation numbers. This last year they have merged almost all the divisions into one, so it's impossible to know if they are profiting or bleeding money in the PS brand.