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Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
 


I was just saying that Obama (who hasn't gone to war with Iran over the drone) is less of a warmonger than most of the Republican field who say that he should have.


I disagree in general because I see it as a case of actions speaking louder then words.

They're taking an oppurtunity to exagerate things to bash Obama because to a certain part of their base, the truth is... Obama is a better "national security" president then Bush ever was, because he's GREATLY expanded unilateral strikes against terrorists in countries like Afghanistan.

Additionally, none of the field to my knowledge actually suggested we should go to war vs Iran based off the drone.

What they DID argue was that Obama shouldn't of asked for the drone back, but instead demanded the drone back tying it to some action.  Which could mean military, or could mean sanctions or whatever else.

Rick Perry - "should have done was one of two things: We either destroy it, or we retrieve it. He took a third route, which was the worst and the weakest, and that is to do nothing."

You might be right about the rest of the field though.

I wouldn't say destroying it means war, but means having a plan to destory it if it does malfucntion.

Though even if it did mean bombing it now, even that I'm not sure would be considered war. (Sadly)

Afterall, we're killing all kinds of people in Pakistan with done strikes (mostly civilian) and even have ground forces in Pakistan... yet we aren't considered at war with them.  (Though we should be.)

I mean, I'D consider it war and Dennis does, but i don't think most people do consider it war.



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MrBubbles said:

anyone with knowledge of iran, knows they are dangerous. they have a militant religiously fanatical government, have a number of armed groups under their direct control around the region and are part of successful terrorist attacks as far away from iran as argentina.

What bullshit.



The sad truth is... there is no one but Neoconservatives with a chance of winning the election...

So we may as well stick with the one we've already got.



GodOfWar_3ever said:
MrBubbles said:

anyone with knowledge of iran, knows they are dangerous. they have a militant religiously fanatical government, have a number of armed groups under their direct control around the region and are part of successful terrorist attacks as far away from iran as argentina.

What bullshit.


what a marvelous argument you have put forward, i am indeed quite speechless at the depth and breadth of it.  with such ability you must be a lawyer by profession, no doubt.



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mrstickball said:


This is Ron Paul's last election cycle. He's said so himself. If he doesn't win, he's retiring. Because of that, the face and hope of liberty will change if he doesn't win. There is another man that is running for president, Gary Johnson, that holds the same views as Ron, but has executive experience (governor of New Mexico), and is in his mid-50's. One of the coolest, best stories ever - started a handyman company in NM, then turned it into a multi-million dollar enterprise, then ran for governor as a Republican and won in a state that is 2/3rds Democrat. He's essentially a younger Ron Paul.

I am voting for him *if* he's a viable candidate. Otherwise, I will indeed vote for Ron Paul. Supposedly, Gary is going to seek the Libertarian Party's nomination since the media has abjectively screwed him out of the race.

You can read up on Gary at: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

I have heard a little about Gary Johnson already considering I have lived in Texas for the past 10 years.  Anyways, I consider him equal if not better than Ron Paul.  I believe he even has a pro marijuana stance.



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SamuelRSmith said:
Nik24 said:

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He wants to eliminate the FED and various departments like education! 

The Federal Reserve is one of the main players in the economic crisis. They set interest rates too low, and print too much money, which results in a vast expansion of credit and high inflation, which leads to greater mal-investments, and, thus, larger recessions/depressions.

The department of education has a terrible track record, and is illegal. Under the constitution there are no provisions for such a department, and the department also violates the 10th Amendment. Ron Paul wants to give the ability to educate back to the states. You will still have your public education systems, but they'll just be run a lot better, and your local schools won't be dictated to by some pencil-pushers in Washington. 

 

Ok, I get that you have some very liberterian view points. But please explain to me why this obsession with a 225 year old document?              It was visionary and bold at the time but the world has changed since then. Nowhere, does it explicitly deny the department of education. And don't you think the founding fathers had other concerns than setting up a school system in a world which was hugely different than the one we are in today? There are so many issues to discuss in this context (e.g the 2nd amendment). It just escapes my mind how people cling to the constitution and deny all the changes that have taken place since then (reminds me of the literal interpretation of the Bible, these documents were never meant to be taken literally/serve as the law for the next millenia)

Do you really believe the states would do better when fighting for themselves? How would the overall school system be better if it was handled by the states? There are already vast differences in terms of quality. No doubt, the system has to be improved but you have to explain to me how the quality of education can be improved by giving the "right to educate" back to the states? Btw, why stop with state level? Why not give the authority to counties?

 He doesn't believe in Climate Change (granted, the whole Republican Party hates science)

What does it matter if he doesn't believe in climate change? The free market naturally decarbonizes, anyway, so let it be. I'm not going to get into this, anyway, as the point of Ron Paul's philosophies is that it doesn't matter what he believes in.

The whole issue is that Climate Change is nothing you can believe in or not. It's just a fact and science. If you have ever taken any economic classes, you would know that the market fails to take into account so-called externalities, for the simple reason that there impact is hard to measure and usually affects the whole population.

  He is against the Civil Rights Act!!!

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/civil-rights-act/

I know his position. It's the same as his son's. He argues that it's a violation of free speech, government interference etc.                                   I'm sorry to be inpolite but this is just BS. He would allow private businesses to segregate their costumers if they wish to or deny service to any minority if they feel like it. Of course, he is against racism but his position would open the door once again for open racism with the excuse of free speech and personal liberty.





sethnintendo said:
mrstickball said:


This is Ron Paul's last election cycle. He's said so himself. If he doesn't win, he's retiring. Because of that, the face and hope of liberty will change if he doesn't win. There is another man that is running for president, Gary Johnson, that holds the same views as Ron, but has executive experience (governor of New Mexico), and is in his mid-50's. One of the coolest, best stories ever - started a handyman company in NM, then turned it into a multi-million dollar enterprise, then ran for governor as a Republican and won in a state that is 2/3rds Democrat. He's essentially a younger Ron Paul.

I am voting for him *if* he's a viable candidate. Otherwise, I will indeed vote for Ron Paul. Supposedly, Gary is going to seek the Libertarian Party's nomination since the media has abjectively screwed him out of the race.

You can read up on Gary at: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

I have heard a little about Gary Johnson already considering I have lived in Texas for the past 10 years.  Anyways, I consider him equal if not better than Ron Pual.  I believe he even has a pro marijuana stance.

Pro-pot, pro-gay marriage (not unions), pro-choice. Would balance the federal budget on year-1, and would veto any legislation that would increase spending above revenues. Also anti-interventionist, but maybe not quite as far as RP or Kuchinich.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Rush doesn't like Ron Paul:

Calls Ron Paul supports "uninformed".

He also says Ron Paul has nothing to do with the Tea Party:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-ron-paul-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-tea-party/

 

Also says any Republican but Ron Paul can beat Obama:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/12/15/rush-limbaugh-anybody-other-ron-paul-could-beat-obama-easily

 



mrstickball said:
sethnintendo said:
mrstickball said:


This is Ron Paul's last election cycle. He's said so himself. If he doesn't win, he's retiring. Because of that, the face and hope of liberty will change if he doesn't win. There is another man that is running for president, Gary Johnson, that holds the same views as Ron, but has executive experience (governor of New Mexico), and is in his mid-50's. One of the coolest, best stories ever - started a handyman company in NM, then turned it into a multi-million dollar enterprise, then ran for governor as a Republican and won in a state that is 2/3rds Democrat. He's essentially a younger Ron Paul.

I am voting for him *if* he's a viable candidate. Otherwise, I will indeed vote for Ron Paul. Supposedly, Gary is going to seek the Libertarian Party's nomination since the media has abjectively screwed him out of the race.

You can read up on Gary at: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com

I have heard a little about Gary Johnson already considering I have lived in Texas for the past 10 years.  Anyways, I consider him equal if not better than Ron Pual.  I believe he even has a pro marijuana stance.

Pro-pot, pro-gay marriage (not unions), pro-choice. Would balance the federal budget on year-1, and would veto any legislation that would increase spending above revenues. Also anti-interventionist, but maybe not quite as far as RP or Kuchinich.

Ron Paul is pro-life though, at least on a personal level, right?

And I don't like the looks of this Gary Johnson guy. He's got those reptile eyes.



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