Kudistos Megistos said:
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Kudistos Megistos said:
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scottie said:
I also used the example of Iceland (left wing) not giving bailouts, and the Democrats (and eventually Republicans) (both right wing, to varying degrees) giving bailouts. |
Which was incorrect. Since it was the Rightwing who didn't give bailouts.... and the leftwing who voted FOR bailouts after they took control of parliment in 09 and was shot down by the Icelandic population.

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although nearly everything you said was bullshit about the american right wing.
i just had to respond to this. this is just so patently false, its hilarious.
the rupublicans want no such thing, not even close. the rupublicans want lower taxes on everybody. in fact most republicans just signed a pledge not raise taxes on the poor.
also George bush cut the taxes on the poor.
republicans are the party for the poor, they favor more personal freedom, reducing regulation to help people get hired. so "poor people" can get jobs and money.
osamanobama said:
although nearly everything you said was bullshit about the american right wing. i just had to respond to this. this is just so patently false, its hilarious. the rupublicans want no such thing, not even close. the rupublicans want lower taxes on everybody. in fact most republicans just signed a pledge not raise taxes on the poor. also George bush cut the taxes on the poor. republicans are the party for the poor, they favor more personal freedom, reducing regulation to help people get hired. so "poor people" can get jobs and money. |
Republicans are the party for the poor? You seriously believe that? What do you call rhetoric about poor in inner cities have no work ethic by Newt, and also these comments about the 53% and repeatedly saying "everyone should pay something", despite the fact they do, even if it isn't income taxes? The political reality is this: GOP candidates want to lower taxes on the wealthy, and raise taxes on everyone else (see Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan as an example of this). In addition to raising taxes, they want to slash benefits. The premise here is "You don't want to punish the successful".
And the slashing of regulations in no way, shape and form is to help the poor (even the words "Middle Class" is verbotten language for the GOP now). It is there in order to help the wealthy get even more wealthy, and under some sort of miracle, this will end up translating into everyone benefitting. Lift the boats on top, and they will drag everyone else along for a ride... maybe.
Let's just say that helping the poor isn't exactly a high priority for the GOP.
| scottie said:
First, thanks for actually responding properly, you won't get very far by simply insulting people who disagree with you.
I provided several examples to prove my points;
Scott Walker (and there are plenty of other examples, such as Thatcher, to use an example that is neither from my country nor the present day, or John Howard, who is from my country and approximately the present day) and their union busting activities. All Right wing without a shadow of a doubt, all acting in defiance of the 'small government' concept in order to concentrate wealth in the hands of the already wealthy. I would also like to point out that after Howard was voted out of office, the Labor party (left wing) overturned John Howards ban on collective bargaining. Of course, you could study the actual issue of union-busting in America. Wisconsin was broke. They had no money to continue to pay the union salaries that had been forced on the cities and state governments. We have the same thing going on in Ohio. We tried to break up the unions, and it failed. Now we're losing teachers, firefighters and cops every day, because unions would rather see people let go than re-negotiate contracts. Also, its not just a right-wing republican thing. We've had very left-leaning legislatures like Massachusettes do the same thing and break up their public unions.
You can also look at the tax cuts that Bush brought in, or the GST that Howard brought in as examples of ways the right wing shift the tax burden to the poor. Except the fact that the total burden of taxes in America for the top 1% is higher today than at any point in the past 60 years. I also used the example of Iceland (left wing) not giving bailouts, and the Democrats (and eventually Republicans) (both right wing, to varying degrees) giving bailouts. You claim that there are left wing governments that are "all about" supporting their friends in big business. name some, as many as you can. I can't respond to your experience, if I don't even know what countries you are refering to. The issue with both of your arguments are what actually make up a left-wing or right-wing government. Could you even empircally give a list of actual left-wing governments? |
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
The union's fights are quite funny.
They want higher pay, they get it.
Then 10-20% get fired...
Unions protect who's interest?
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I am going to call bull on the above and ask you to prove it. You are saying the past 60 years? Now is your chance to correct and clarify, or defend this. If you want to say the top 1% pays a greater percentage now, it would be because they have more money and the middle class is shrinking.
richardhutnik said:
I am going to call bull on the above and ask you to prove it. You are saying the past 60 years? Now is your chance to correct and clarify, or defend this. If you want to say the top 1% pays a greater percentage now, it would be because they have more money and the middle class is shrinking. |

Its quite a bit faster than the increase of income inequality. The top 1% pays more taxes than the bottom 95%.
Back from the dead, I'm afraid.
Also in the US isn't it true that many do not pay taxes at all?
I assume the 46 million Americans in poverty do not pay any income taxes...
| lordmandeep said: Also in the US isn't it true that many do not pay taxes at all?
I assume the 46 million Americans in poverty do not pay any income taxes... |
That depends on whether you consider national pensions and unemployment insurance taxes.
They don't pay income taxes, or likely state taxes, however "payroll" taxes are used to fund unemployment, social security and medicare. You get a lot of that back at the end of the year but not all of it.
Also some of the people living in povery own their own homes. (43%... will get lower though thanks to the economy.)
So there are property and various city taxes to pay.
Really, think how awsome a place the US is to live, where you can own land, and be consdiered poor.
