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Economic inequality is the single greatest determining factor for or against democracy. A society united in poverty (as in the middle phases of the Soviet Union) is going to oppose democracy, and a society with high inequality is necessarily going to have class antagonism

Marx had the right idea in that class warfare is what drives the political changes in countries, but this comes from alienation between the classes and always leads to a non-democratic alternative. Democracy only functions when there is low tension between classes, which only works with relatively low inequality (though not super-low, as that indicates a general lack of economic activity)

Hence with the swing of inequality exacerbated by the economic crisis causing lowered support for democracy. How do you think it happened inbetween the World Wars?



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when was it ever a democracy? it is ideological smokescreen, to let the people believe they have some kind of control



scottie said:
I'm confused by the OP.

You say people will either head to the extremes, or to the centre.

What exactly do you mean by centre? Are you referring specifically to a position slightly more right wing than the democrats and slightly less right wing than the Americans, or are you using the (globally) more common definition of centrist being much more left wing than the democrats?


Enough with that when it's clearly not true.  I mean hell, compare the US reaction to their finanical crisis vs the Europeon reaction to this one.  Which group is all about the conservative austerity for bailouts?



Mr Khan said:
Economic inequality is the single greatest determining factor for or against democracy. A society united in poverty (as in the middle phases of the Soviet Union) is going to oppose democracy, and a society with high inequality is necessarily going to have class antagonism

Marx had the right idea in that class warfare is what drives the political changes in countries, but this comes from alienation between the classes and always leads to a non-democratic alternative. Democracy only functions when there is low tension between classes, which only works with relatively low inequality (though not super-low, as that indicates a general lack of economic activity)

Hence with the swing of inequality exacerbated by the economic crisis causing lowered support for democracy. How do you think it happened inbetween the World Wars?


Except Economic inequality decreased during the economic crisis... and in reality is lower then 1994... and really europe hasn't had much of a gini coefficent even in the terms household. 

See Individual Gini coefficent vs household/family gini coefficents to see the "lie" in the statistics.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=137687&page=1#12



FinalEvangelion said:
The scariest trend is the rise of organized Islamophobia among the right wing pundits that want to restore America. It is reminiscent of a certain event in history.


In Europe Islam is a serious threat. Any look at demographics will show that Europe will be a majority Islamic territory very very soon. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU



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Akvod said:
...if Europe decides to enforce austerity measures on its members, there will be some serious anger and economic downturn...

No. Austerity measures are welcomed accepted by most Europeans.



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leatherhat said:
FinalEvangelion said:
The scariest trend is the rise of organized Islamophobia among the right wing pundits that want to restore America. It is reminiscent of a certain event in history.


In Europe Islam is a serious threat. Any look at demographics will show that Europe will be a majority Islamic territory very very soon. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Bahaha. Do you expect anybody to take that video seriously? It's classic propaganda, the Soviets couldn't have done better. Horribly twisted and cherrypicked statistics mixed with flat out lies and combined with predictions of doom

A nice rebuttal -

http://tinyfrog.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/muslim-demographics/



Kasz216 said:
scottie said:
I'm confused by the OP.

You say people will either head to the extremes, or to the centre.

What exactly do you mean by centre? Are you referring specifically to a position slightly more right wing than the democrats and slightly less right wing than the Americans, or are you using the (globally) more common definition of centrist being much more left wing than the democrats?


Enough with that when it's clearly not true.  I mean hell, compare the US reaction to their finanical crisis vs the Europeon reaction to this one.  Which group is all about the conservative austerity for bailouts?

America's reaction: Give money to large corporations so that they can continue to give large bonuses to the 1%, which is the true aim of right wing governments.

 

Iceland's reaction - the rich are not bailed out using tax payers money, ie strives for a fair balance between protection for rich and poor, ie the true aim of left wing governments


http://occupywallst.org/forum/icelands-banksters-arrested-not-bailed-out/



No one who takes Paul Krugman seriously has any business referring to anyone else as fucking idiots. Or whining about the rise of fascism, for that matter. That cat-loving motherfucker is the biggest fascist of all.