Interesting how people ignored this comment.

Here is an interesting fact. A few times we have had Russian old historic naval ships visit Australia and people could go on board and see them.  A few of the sailers said to me do you like how the russians build ships when I was o nbaord exploring. Ironically they had a made in Poland plate on them. Makes you wonder how they got these ships.

Its so strange to see so much hate to the Russians... Hey guys, do you know that the cold war was finished 22 years ago?
And also some more thoughts.

1. Hitler's/Nazi crimes was shown to the world by the international court in Nurnburg (?). It was not made any real investigations regarding Stalin. He's not a criminal - don't forget you cannot blame person without court decision - its one of the main law principles.
Yes, it is some BOOKS that say that he killed millions of people. No proof.
It is some BOOKS that say he killed not so much people and all of them was Western spies. No proof.

Truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

But you can't blame somebody blindly, without proof!

2. Holodomor. If you check - you'd see, that it wasn't something against Ukraine's people. It was a famine. People was dying in Russia, Ukraine, Khazahstan. And people was dying of hunger in USA at the great depression. Is it also Soviets fault?

3. I cant say for everybody, but now after 20 years in EU, Litva, Latvia and Estonia are in a much bigger mess then they was at Soviet times.

We can continue this discussion if you'd want, but please can you lower the degree of hate toward us. Russians are the same people as US,UK, Norway, etc... Don't be silly and dont afraid of Russian Ivan! :)

You are 110% correct, I shouldn't be calling people ignorant. But i can't help it when they ignore all the dead russian people who were murdered by the Nazis, like it didn't even matter that they died. They only like to point fingers at the Soviets. Yes the Soviets comitted atrocies crimes in Berlin, i'm not denying that. But you can't ignore all the crimes the Germans comitted against Russian people. That's the whole point of the thread.

Its so strange to see so much hate to the Russians... Hey guys, do you know that the cold war was finished 22 years ago?
And also some more thoughts.

1. Hitler's/Nazi crimes was shown to the world by the international court in Nurnburg (?). It was not made any real investigations regarding Stalin. He's not a criminal - don't forget you cannot blame person without court decision - its one of the main law principles.
Yes, it is some BOOKS that say that he killed millions of people. No proof.
It is some BOOKS that say he killed not so much people and all of them was Western spies. No proof.

Does not change when men undertake atrocities. Was Pol Pot ever tried for seeing to 1/4th of all Cambodians dying in a 5 year span? I mean, by your logic, Hitler never did anything either since he was never personally tried.

Truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.

But you can't blame somebody blindly, without proof!

There are libraries full of research, eye-witness testimonies, and more. They've exhumed many mass graves since the Soviet Union fell. There is plenty of proof.
 
2. Holodomor. If you check - you'd see, that it wasn't something against Ukraine's people. It was a famine. People was dying in Russia, Ukraine, Khazahstan. And people was dying of hunger in USA at the great depression. Is it also Soviets fault?

Do some research, please. The Soviets took the grain away from the farmers and shipped in east, depriving them of feeding their own people. Again, eyewitness testimonies prove that. Census data proves that. Very, VERY few people died in the US during the Great Depression. There are no accounts of mass starvation during the depression - again, census data shows that to be the case. Birth rates did drop severely, but more people died from suicide than starvation.

3. I cant say for everybody, but now after 20 years in EU, Litva, Latvia and Estonia are in a much bigger mess then they was at Soviet times.

Can you give an exact example of thjat?

We can continue this discussion if you'd want, but please can you lower the degree of hate toward us. Russians are the same people as US,UK, Norway, etc... Don't be silly and dont afraid of Russian Ivan! :)

No one 'hates' Russia. I love Russia. I've always been interested in its history. What I hate are mass-murderers, which include Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao-Tse-Tung, Kim Jong Il, Kim Il Sun and others of that nature. Just because we talk about Stalinist war atrocities doesn't mean that we hate or have a problem with every other Soviet premier. I mean, I don't think I've seen anyone say 'Andropov was terrible! Khruchev was a murderer! Deng Xiao Peng was the worst Chinese Premier ever!". No, we only reserve that ire for the men that actually had something to do with the things we claim. And that lies squarely with what orders Stalin gave to the NKVD. We put the blame of a few elites, not the hundreds of millions of wonderful Russian people that lived decent, honest, productive lives.

You really should research into whate everyone says. No one is trying to attack the Russian people. Its just the leadership many have a problem with. That is no different than with any other country on the face of the Earth. People here hate the US government, the UK government, and so on and so forth, honoring civility and fostering good will to the people of those said nations - but one needs to (again) understand that doesn't absolve the nation of atrocities, or very dark times in their history. The sooner your nation comes to grips with the reality of its atrocities, and those who undertook madness, the sooner it can heal and move forward, knowing what caused the killing in the first place.

I'd say its generally the fact that Americans don't have access to the kind of information about the war in the East as they do any other theater, maybe sans the Indochina and Chinese front. I mean, I can mention the Soviet's Manchuko campaign to my dad who loves WW2 stuff, and he had no idea.

I'd blame the education system that is generally America-centric (in the US at least), and the general stupidity of kids being taught history. We mostly only learn about our sacrifice, much as probably the Soviets only learned about WWII through the lens of the Great Patriotic war.

How many Russian-made movies and documentaries are available on WW2? I try to find as many as I can, and the sad thing is that the Germans made more about the war (being essentuially banned from doing such for decades), than the Russians did. They only made Come and See and Brest Fortress vs. literally hundreds of WW2 movies made from the American and British side. So again, most only have had the chance to learn of the Western campaigns in Africa, D-Day and so on, and the Pacific War. Its not fair, FWIW, because the Soviets did do a lot to secure an allied victory. I try to study as much as I can from the Soviet side, because its very intriguing.

I do think the whole Cold War aspect does play in - after the war, I am sure few people wanted to portray the Soviets as a wonderful savior during the war, when we hadn't yet had detente.

im having trouble believing you are presenting a real opinion and that this is not just an attempt to troll people.  perhaps we could start with the holdomor genocide?  the invasions of finland and poland?  katyn massacre? the terrible mess they turned eastern europe into?  north korea? gulag? perhaps you want a list of some soviet war crimes?

if you are serious in your attempt to garner respect for the ussr, then i am quite frankly sickened. 

Katyn Massacre why dont u get over it? it has been said 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times over and over again especially during the cold war by the americans.  what's funny is that 600,000 polish POWs surrendered to the Germans over the Soviets, thinking they will be treated well, to their surprise Hitler starved them to death, 95% of them died in the camps only the remaining 5% survived. No body talks about that.  what about all the Polish doctors, University teachers, lawyers, party members who were shot by the SS in 1940? how come you dont mention that... wait i know why.. because you didnt know about that..  you see tahts my point you live in the West. you are taught to hate the soviets and you are more interested at Anti-Soviet topics than anti-Nazi.  what's funny is that Americans teach only about the Holocaust and 6m jews who suffered under Hitler. they completely ignore 8 million Belarussian civilians who were burned alive in the churches, 12 milion Ukranian civilians who were gassed for being Ukranian. and 8 million Poles who died in the concentration camps. EVERYBODY just ignores that, i think if it wasnt for "EVIL" stalin then Hitler would have won in the east and all those Jews would be murdered  along with 90% of Slavic people. 

Again, i am not denying that Stalin and Communism were bad but you cant compare Hitler to Stalin.  Do you see me insulting US for killing 100m native americans!  or for raping 300,000 Japanese women and girls in the PACIFIC?  its funny how you dont mention that.