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freebs2 said:
oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!

Wait...I have to be honest I haven't played Rayman yet, but I just can't beieve it O_O. Still I'll have a chance to play it before the end of the year.

Get on XBL or PSN and give the demo ago, to be frank its not that much better, but that damn shake the controller to make DK roll pisses me off. I dont want shoed in waggle just for the hell of it. Rayman has none of that crap, which is why i say its better.



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oniyide said:
freebs2 said:
oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!

Wait...I have to be honest I haven't played Rayman yet, but I just can't beieve it O_O. Still I'll have a chance to play it before the end of the year.

Get on XBL or PSN and give the demo ago, to be frank its not that much better, but that damn shake the controller to make DK roll pisses me off. I dont want shoed in waggle just for the hell of it. Rayman has none of that crap, which is why i say its better.

Ah ok, thats why...I had no problem with the shaking thing. I'd like to download the demo...if only my 360 wasn't rrod and my ps3 ylod :(



Sega makes some very strange decisions.

It probably left sales of 1M on the table by not making a Wii version -- which will probably be more than the HD versions sell combined.

(It had been a long time since I had seen a commercial bragging about a game getting 8s -- and Sega is doing that with Sonic Generations).

Mike from Morgantown


PS Rayman appears to be great -- although its slow sales (especially on Wii) show that most people don't recognize good 2D platforming.



      


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oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!


Too bad it won't come near in sales as the two you mentioned. Not even close actually. 



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mike_intellivision said:
Sega makes some very strange decisions.

It probably left sales of 1M on the table by not making a Wii version -- which will probably be more than the HD versions sell combined.

(It had been a long time since I had seen a commercial bragging about a game getting 8s -- and Sega is doing that with Sonic Generations).

Mike from Morgantown


PS Rayman appears to be great -- although its slow sales (especially on Wii) show that most people don't recognize good 2D platforming.

actually both versions have had a bigger opening than Colors, so if it can keep the same legs they WILL do better than Colors



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Areym said:
oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!


Too bad it won't come near in sales as the two you mentioned. Not even close actually. 


so?? whats your point?? What does sales have to do with quality of the game?? Just because it is flopping doesnt mean I like the game less and just cause 5mil plus people bought DK or Mario doesnt mean I like those games more



oniyide said:
Areym said:
oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!


Too bad it won't come near in sales as the two you mentioned. Not even close actually. 


so?? whats your point?? What does sales have to do with quality of the game?? Just because it is flopping doesnt mean I like the game less and just cause 5mil plus people bought DK or Mario doesnt mean I like those games more

Alright, first of all, let's cool it with the 'tude. A little on the defensive, aren't we?

Second, the only point I was getting across is that even though it may very well be the best 2d platform this gen (I have yet to try it), it sadly will not receive the sales it deserves.  

Third, I didn't even question whether sales will affect you liking the game, or the other games for that matter.



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Areym said:
oniyide said:
Areym said:
oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!


Too bad it won't come near in sales as the two you mentioned. Not even close actually. 


so?? whats your point?? What does sales have to do with quality of the game?? Just because it is flopping doesnt mean I like the game less and just cause 5mil plus people bought DK or Mario doesnt mean I like those games more

Alright, first of all, let's cool it with the 'tude. A little on the defensive, aren't we?

Second, the only point I was getting across is that even though it may very well be the best 2d platform this gen (I have yet to try it), it sadly will not receive the sales it deserves.  

Third, I didn't even question whether sales will affect you liking the game, or the other games for that matter.

No attitude, I just thought it was a strange statment that didnt have much to do with what I said. And your right this game will not get the attention it deserves, maybe 2d platformers are not just that popular as they used to be. Unless you have Mario or DK in it.



RolStoppable said:
oniyide said:
People still crying about this??? Wow, you could buy him a PS3 or 360 WITH Sonic Generations.
But all kidding aside Rayman is a safe bet. Best 2d platformer this gen, yes better than DKC Returns and NSMBWii. I said it!!

Yes, you said it and you have been very wrong before. I have yet to play Kirby's Adventure Wii, but chances are good that the Wii will have five 2D platformers that are better than Rayman Origins, because NSMB Wii, DKCR, Wario Land and Epic Yarn already are.

What happened to the reviews of Rayman Origins is that reviewers probably didn't play all levels. Scratch that. They most certainly didn't play the entire game.

Now what I am wondering is what came first: Terrible level design that led to infinite lives and plenty of checkpoints as last resort or infinite lives that gave the makers of Rayman Origins a free pass to design outright unfair trial and error passages. If anybody thought that the mine cart and rocket barrel levels in DKCR are too much, multiply that frustration by a factor of ten. Some bosses also cannot possibly be beaten on your first try.

Rayman Origins positions itself somewhere between a skillbased platformer (like NSMB Wii and DKCR) and one that emphasizes exploration (like Wario Land and Epic Yarn). The former is much better done in the Nintendo games, because the level design is actually fair, more varied and the controls are more precise. The latter is also much better done in the Nintendo games, because the secrets are better hidden. As such, RO can only be recommended to people who already own all Nintendo platformers and want another game. Everyone else is better off by checking out the Nintendo games first.

The multiplayer aspect of RO also falls flat. Many Lums have to be collected within a time limit (which ultimately earns you additional Electoons), so a good portion of the game needs to be played in singleplayer, if you aim for completion. Even worse are the levels where you have to chase a treasure chest, that's almost 20 % of the game you shouldn't even bother with in multiplayer.

The most positive thing I can say about RO is that it makes one appreciate Nintendo games and realize just how far ahead of any competitors they are. It's not a bad game, but certainly not as good as critics want you to believe. It's 6/10 gameplay with 10/10 artstyle and since reviewers value style over substance, RO garnered very good scores.

mike_intellivision said:

PS Rayman appears to be great -- although its slow sales (especially on Wii) show that most people don't recognize good 2D platforming.

More like the opposite. Especially on the Wii where there are at least four, probably five, better retail games.


ok... thats cool, it your opinion and you are entitled. But I think im still going with Rayman Origins. Epic Yarn is a walk in the park. Me personally I hate having waggle cramed into my 2d platformer, which is why I prefer Rayman Origins to the games you just mentioned, and seeing as everyone else is recommending it...



I think this isn't a situation where a Wii port would have been easy and it probably would have cost them more money than its worth. It looks like that the dev platform for this was the PC version and comparing that version to the HD consoles almost makes it appear like a next generation game.

Compared to the PC which looks phenomenal and plays butter smooth, the HD twins are stuck with 30 fps (or less), sub 720p resolution, washed out colors, jaggies all over the place so essentially they are already a downgraded ports. The 30 fps really hurts the experience and I really don't think that Sega could have downgraded the game any further for the Wii without a major overhaul to the game.

Funny thing is that I made this exact thread a year and a half ago when I heard Sonic Colors is not coming to Ps360. Luckily then I discovered Dolphin...